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The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by csande17 »

petilon wrote: post #76
nodesocket wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His stance is his own and frankly private. If he chooses to open up about it publicly fine, but sitting on a soap box online demanding political and private questions wreaks of moral and intellectual false superiority.

But it is in line with the 72 rules listed. If you're a developer who wants to contribute to SQLite, you might want to know beforehand if you will be expected to sign on to a 73rd rule.

One benefit of adopting a 1,500-year-old code of ethics is that it's probably not going to suddenly change on you.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by verytrivial »

This sort of thing used to annoy me in my youth. But there is a lot of good stuff in there. These are directions on how YOU should live your life, so strike out as appropriate. SQLite is great and if pondering these rules helped, only a fool would avoid pondering them out of spite.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ignoramous »

lfkdev wrote: post #215

These rules sound terrible. What is it with people to put everything they do in God? Just do it because you're a good guy and you want to do it. Not because some galactic justice tolds you to do it. Really a shame.

> ...and you want to do it

That want, for some, takes root in their beliefs and faith. May sound ridiculous but many things do to anyone alien to it.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by tootie »

smoe wrote: post #85
molyss wrote: post #11

seeing as some people have already added some comments criticizing the code of conduct, I thought I'd add what I think is the most important parts of that code of Ethics : > No one is required to follow The Rule [...] or even think that [it] is a good idea. [...] anyone is free to dispute or ignore that idea [...] > This is a one-way promise [...]. the developers are saying "we will treat you this way regardless of h…

> The founder of SQLite and all current developers have pledged to follow the spirit of The Rule to the best of their ability. Sure, as far as I'm aware code of conducts/ethics only ever apply to contributors, no-one has beliefs being forced upon them. But that seems to be about the highest bar of entry for an interested developer I have seen in any project. Not waving pitchforks here, I'm fine with them having this…

I'm not sure what their organization is exactly but a private company isn't allowed to force a religious test on employees. I think it doesn't apply to an open source project but I sure don't like it. It's exclusionary.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by tootie »

verytrivial wrote: post #222

This sort of thing used to annoy me in my youth. But there is a lot of good stuff in there. These are directions on how YOU should live your life, so strike out as appropriate. SQLite is great and if pondering these rules helped, only a fool would avoid pondering them out of spite.

But they could just strike all the ones that mention god and hell and not lost anything of value. I also think the morality only rings true if you were raised in a Christian dominated society. No one living in the real world can afford to love their enemies. That's what people in monasteries can say but not ones who are responsible for protecting people.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by jonathankoren »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #172
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be extremely naive to think that fascism only happened in the 1920s-1940s. Obviously, todays fascism looks nothing like that of the modern era, just as todays leftists are different. But it’s back, poisoning our democracies and pushing the world into a new hell. Putin is a neofascist. I could tell you which Americans are fascists, but you all get touchy when anyone brings it up.

Ah yes, the crypto-fascism conspiracy theory - or the blackshirt scare. There's fascists everywhere. They don't call themselves that, they don't organise under that label, and their views aren't particularly similar to historical fascism - but it's a serious threat! It's so powerful that they have to keep it a secret because they'll be cast out of polite society... At least McCarthy actually found people spying for t…

My sibling in humanity. I beg you. Read about the history of fascism and its contemporary movements instead of just parroting ill informed bumper stickers, because you’re about half a step away from saying the that the Democratic Republic of Germany was democracy.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by savingsPossible »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #170
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #150

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Well, you wasted no time whatsoever in playing the Nazi card. If you're willing to hear a counterpoint: I disagree wholeheartedly with your worldview, and yet I support your right to express your views. See, I'm not looking to "silence", "suppress", or "destroy" you, even though I disagree with you. Please make a mental note that people like me exist and not everybody who disagrees with you is a fascist.

I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist.

Holding a view is different than thinking the view is OK to hold.

AND, most people (you'd accuse of thinking the view is ok to hold) don't think these views *are* ok to hold, but are caught in a purposefully wide net.

Like, often we hear that: * proposition 8 was fascist * brendan eich is a fascist because he donated to it * supporting brendan eich is fascist

I agree with marriage equality. (it is actually good conservatism, even!) But I disagree that prop 8 was fascist (and according to some that probably makes me a fascist as well)

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by threatofrain »

smoe wrote: post #107
ripley12 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SQLite generally doesn't accept contributions. "Open-Source, not Open-Contribution" https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html

Even when not accepting outside contributions, to fulfill their long term support commitment through 2050, they might have to make changes to their current core team.

If they do, then they will have to find people who embrace Christian spiritualism. That's going to be a lot easier than finding Lisp devs. Similarly, Christian institutions seek Christian employees and they fire those who cannot abide.

Can't a software project be like a Christian church?

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