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Post by nsv »

lelanthran wrote: post #206
gardenmwm wrote: post #104

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No, but common courtesy and cleanliness is something that makes me happy. I’ve lived in neighborhoods that have had rat problems because of a single home that kept trash everywhere. Should I be inconvenienced because someone doesn’t want to do the bare minimum to upkeep their property? Would you be ok if I moved next door to you and hung nazi flags (this has happened to me as well)? When people behave in ways that in…

> Would you be ok if I moved next door to you and hung nazi flags (this has happened to me as well)? Restricting nazi flags also restricts pride flags. The question is "Would you be okay if I hung flags?" What about other forms of displaying support? Are posters just a cheaper flag?

Godwin's law.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

rayiner wrote: post #188
spacemanmatt wrote: post #181

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That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct

I’m not sure I understand your point. The dictionary definition, as I quoted above, refers to prejudice. Is that what you learned in sociology?

Yes, prejudice was discussed, but prejudice is not descriptive of the social force that we talked about in sociology.

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Post by ghaff »

bombcar wrote: post #182
ghaff wrote: post #138

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I own a number of acres. One neighbor has an orchard and a horse pasture. Another has a Christmas tree farm. We're adjacent to a fairly large conservation property. We're urban according to the US Census. And we certainly have no practical way to shop by either walking or public transportation.

The census basically calls it urban if you have a sewer not a septic heh. Most people consider “small town” to be rural though it’s technically not as it’s a city.

I don’t even have sewer. Though I do have town water.

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Post by hoseja »

hoseja wrote: post #210
mmh0000 wrote: post #28

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When I bought my first house, I purposefully avoided any neighborhood with an HOA because of all the internet scare mongering I had heard over the years. After ten years of one neighbor parking cars on their lawn, another growing more weeds than blades of grass, and another with 8 vehicles parked along the street I was done. When I bought my second house I specifically wanted an HOA. After another 6 years, I couldn’t…

What did all those neighbors do to you? Are you somehow damaged by being forced to gaze upon an unkempt lawn?

Addendum: "Unkept" IS a word, more appropriate than "unkempt" here! Screw you, spellchecker!

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Post by spacemanmatt »

tptacek wrote: post #202
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #109

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> In ordinary usage, “racism” means prejudice based on race. There are efforts by some to muddy its meaning, to encompass both racial prejudice and “disproportionate effect,” but that’s not the common usage. Thank you. For some reason I've never been able to explain it so succinctly when two people I respect get into an obviously semantic argument around something being or not being racist and then getting lost in th…

Just so we're all clear, the racism of prohibitions on intergenerational housing --- which is what BLM is talking about when they talk about the "nuclear family" or whatever it is they said to spook the normies --- is racism, not disproportionate impact. Single family zoning was designed to keep specific ethnicities out of "white" neighborhoods. It's not an accident.

Do you think that there is a large gap between prejudice and disproportionate effect? I'm just curious how this break down for you.

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Post by thenoblesunfish »

Fascinating! In many parts of the world, the incremental approach seems alive and well. I'm sure many have had the experience of traveling in a developing country and wondering why it seems that all the buildings are unfinished. Rebar sticking out everywhere! It actually makes a lot of sense, when one does not have access to credit or even a safe place to save money. You build your house as you can afford each component, storing the value that way - take any surplus cash, buy some more bricks, and add them to the house.

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Post by spacemanmatt »

rayiner wrote: post #188
spacemanmatt wrote: post #181

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That's nice that you think the dictionary definition is an newer academic construct

I’m not sure I understand your point. The dictionary definition, as I quoted above, refers to prejudice. Is that what you learned in sociology?

The definition you quoted included discrimination which is another umbrella term like disproportionate effect. Why is it so hard to understand that racism is what racism does?

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Post by MereInterest »

croon wrote: post #211
MereInterest wrote: post #29

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Suppose it's the 1960s, and you want to buy something to eat. Your choices are "Go home and make food." and "Go to a smoke-filled restaurant and buy food." The choice of "Go to a non-smoking restaurant and buy food." doesn't exist in that environment, because there are no such restaurants. It would be silly to state that this is a free choice indicating a preference for smoke-filled restaurants, because there is no a…

While I agree with everything you said, it's a bit ironic that the comparison drawn is between an HOA putting restrictions on what you can do in service of collective benefit as something negative, to before such restrictions was put on restaurants in service of allowing people to get food without second hand smoke. I understand people will have different preferences, but someone making tar or smoking fish on their l…

Good point, and I realized that partway through writing it, but couldn't find a good way to tie it all together. It's more that I get frustrated at "freely entered agreement" being used as justification in any argument, as it's usually a wild stretch of the word "freely".

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Post by samatman »

rayiner wrote: post #184
samatman wrote: post #170

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They're his neighbors, Ray.

They’re his HOA, which is a different power relationship. It’s like bringing gifts to your boss at work.

Ah yes, my boss, whom I live next to, and vote for or against on a yearly basis.

I guess you don't like your HOA and you're projecting.

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Post by rayiner »

spacemanmatt wrote: post #227
rayiner wrote: post #188

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I’m not sure I understand your point. The dictionary definition, as I quoted above, refers to prejudice. Is that what you learned in sociology?

The definition you quoted included discrimination which is another umbrella term like disproportionate effect. Why is it so hard to understand that racism is what racism does?

Discrimination is also another term that in ordinary usage requires intent to discriminate.

I don’t find the concept “hard to understand” I’m just talking about what commonly used words mean. “Racism” is a word that describes individual animosity. It’s confusing to try and overload it with other meanings.

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