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Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Re: Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Post by _carbyau_ »

rendall wrote: post #210
_carbyau_ wrote: post #175

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As a parent, this works well with toddlers too. When you start counting they know a storm is coming and they can avoid it if they choose their next answer/action carefully...

"I don't want to have to count" I said to my son the other day, whence he scurried

I say this exact thing too. It usually plays out as:

- ask kiddo to do something, get a "no" or "I'm busy."

- I say "I don't want to have to count." Continued resistance 30% of the time.

- If resistance then counting starts. Compliance comes earlier or later in the counting 95% of the time.

If counting finishes then guaranteed tears also has a plan because wife and I have time to see it coming too.

Re: Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Post by dmtroyer »

Scalestein wrote: post #186
poisonarena wrote: post #129

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I feel skeptical, I think cats and also most dog breeds understand only pitches that sound excited, because that means walk or tummy rub or food, but the actual said words could be anything, every time

When I'm training my dog I don't consider them to actually "know" a command until they recognize the word specifically. I can say "sit", "stay", or "lie down" in the exact same tone and my dog responds differently based on the word.

no hand gestures or order in which you say them?

Re: Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Post by ratww »

throwanem wrote: post #196
UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

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A waterfall. I think he's basically just saying "Nice poster you've got there, be a shame if something happened to it"

Could be the paper makes a distinctive rattle, and he's learned it will elicit a distinctive response. Cats' theory of mind for humans isn't all that thorough, I think, but they have a very solid grasp of cause and effect. Honestly, I think they mostly think we're simple. They definitely aren't, though, at least not all of them. My guy used to fight like hell any time I tried to trim his claws, so eventually I gave i…

> Could be the paper makes a distinctive rattle, and he's learned it will elicit a distinctive response

Yep, I think that's the answer! The cat discovered the dog clicker!

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Post by [deleted] »

rendall wrote: post #210
_carbyau_ wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent, this works well with toddlers too. When you start counting they know a storm is coming and they can avoid it if they choose their next answer/action carefully...

"I don't want to have to count" I said to my son the other day, whence he scurried

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Re: Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Post by goodpoint »

vorpalhex wrote: post #220
goodpoint wrote: post #218

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Not only there is widely available scientific literature on the topic, but is is also stuff that people should have learned in high school if not before. Do I also need to provide evidence that the earth is not flat?

Then please cite it. Citations here should be trivial. I can absolutely cite and argue that the Earth is not flat - and win. I suspect you will not be able to do so for this claim you are making.

You can search on google or google scholar for 10 minutes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93animal_communica...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10261-5

https://owlcation.com/stem/The-difference-between-animal-and...

Besides, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Here the extraordinary claim is that cats can understand grammar and abstract concepts.

Otherwise I could claim that birds can play chess and demand you to provide papers to prove the opposite.

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Post by vorpalhex »

goodpoint wrote: post #226
vorpalhex wrote: post #220

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Then please cite it. Citations here should be trivial. I can absolutely cite and argue that the Earth is not flat - and win. I suspect you will not be able to do so for this claim you are making.

You can search on google or google scholar for 10 minutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93animal_communica... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10261-5 https://owlcation.com/stem/The-difference-between-animal-and... Besides, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Here the extraordinary claim is that cats can understand grammar and abstr…

I encourage you to read some of these nice sources you have selected. Allow me to quote:

> Such signing may be considered complex enough to be called a form of language if the inventory of signs is large, the signs are relatively arbitrary, and the animals seem to produce them with a degree of volition (as opposed to relatively automatic conditioned behaviors or unconditioned instincts, usually including facial expressions). In experimental tests, animal communication may also be evidenced through the use of lexigrams (as used by chimpanzees and bonobos).

and

> Seyfarth, Cheney and Marler reported that vervet monkeys (now called Chlorocebus pygerythrus) responded differently to different types of alarm calls2 (although some of the calls overlap acoustically3 and this view is currently debated4). More recently, west African green monkeys (Chlorocebus sabaeus) rapidly learned the novel referent of an alarm call that was given in response to a drone5. Referential signaling is not limited to primates.

You'll notice the parent did share sources! They presented a bundle of them, of actual cats using actual signifiers to refer correctly to signified objects.

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Post by looshch »

dasil003 wrote: post #140
godelski wrote: post #121

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That's weird, my cat will come no matter what name I call her as long as I use the same intonations. I'm not convinced she knows her name but rather that she knows pitches. Similarly my cat won't do tricks without the hand gestures despite me always using the same commands. Maybe my cat is just dumb or stubborn, or both. I have seen her run head first into a wall before.

The last part reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H25ve3qts4

replayed this vid for 10 times, thanks

Re: Cats learn the names of their friend cats in their daily lives

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Post by lngnmn2 »

robbedpeter wrote: post #27
lngnmn2 wrote: post #14

No. They just associate repeated sounds, without any semantic whatsoever, just like bird songs. Cats do not have the brain circuitry for semantic networks (based on a language concepts) evolved yet. So called language areas are required. How this crap is even got through a peer review? Rithoric question, I know.

https://youtu.be/uFhBd5mMkU8 This is one of note thousands of videos of cats and dogs using buttons to talk. Cats, and all mammals, have a neocortex. Theirs is not as deeply layered or large as humans, but they most definitely have the ability to reason abstractly, are aware of themselves, think emotionally, and engage in complex, time aware planning over long periods. Your views are wrong. Language areas like Broca'…

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