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Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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I know exactly what you mean. As a counter point to the many "burnout answers" here which I completely agree with by the way. It could also be an example of "neuroplasticity" (hear me out). I'm 40 and been coding like it feels forever, I find it "relatively easy" to learn new frameworks or languages. What is much harder are new paradigms; example OOP vs functional. The last few months I've started to learn Clojure. M…

Took this journey myself 8ish years ago to learn Clojure. I think by default most experienced devs in other languages will find it frustrating.

It seems to be a language where it is frustrating up to a certain point and then once you cross over that line, somehow it just all makes sense and seems so elegant you almost can't go back to other languages. So just know that if you keep going you will be in for more frustration, but the tip of the peak will be there eventually and then it all falls into place.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Yeah, it's normal. When you do the same damn thing for the tenth time (or more) and you've watched all the previous ones be discarded one way or another, usually without ever doing anywhere near enough good to justify making them in the first place, you start to get the sense that you're basically just one of the pegs up near the top of the Plinko board that is modern business—not even one of the players, or the puck, but a peg—and it fucking sucks. I think some dude named Marx wrote about this a bunch.

Anywho, I've solved this by having fewer opinions about technology and generally giving fewer shits. Doomed project? Yeah, they almost all are, so, fine. Bad tech? Most of it's terrible, that's normal. Some moron having way too big a say in the project and making it worse while creating unnecessary work? Yeah, that's normal.

We must imagine Sisyphus happy. I suppose.

I've kinda thought about starting an agency or trying to launch a product, but between not being able to stand looking at a computer screen after my day job, and my guess that that'd end up sucking just as much, but in different ways, I've not done it yet. Honestly, probably never will. Coming to terms with what I, realistically, won't ever do has helped some, too. Kill any dreams you don't care enough about to work toward today. Just let 'em go.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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As others have mentioned, it's some variation of burnout most likely.

It's not that you can't learn anymore. You don't want to learn right now (specifically you don't want to learn what you're trying to learn). You're not enjoying what you're doing and your tired brain is starting to protest.

Here's what your brain (you) is saying: I don't want to do this. With logical results (I don't want to do this, so I'm not doing this).

Some people in this thread have pointed to age as a major factor. It's a minor factor in your 30s as it pertains to learning and it's very unlikely to be significant to what you're describing (Vue and React are not that difficult to learn). Age becomes a major factor for burnout in your 30s though; you've done it for quite a while, so it starts to feel very repetitive, drone-like factory work, and the work hours wear on you differently for all those reasons combined with naturally having a bit less energy at eg 37 vs 22 years of age.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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That's why I like Vue. It's mix of the two with a synchronized ecosystem for the core libs and a simple API. Vue 3 kinda tanked all that though.

What do you think of Svelte? I haven’t used Vue since I discovered Svelte but I’m always curious about peoples perspectives and try to keep my finger on the pulse. The new Nuxt looks pretty awesome! Love the api design. I’m hoping Sveltekit steals a few ideas from it before 1.0.

I looked at it the other day after the discussion thread about JS frameworks, but bounced when I saw ".svelte" files.

I accept (demand, really) TypeScript but I've become allergic to any attempt to add much more on top of JS than that. I can just see the next poor bastard coming along in a short year or two and going "oh god, WTF is a '.svelte' file? What did my piece of shit predecessor fall for?"

I'm looking into Vue today. Possibly I'll settle on something even simpler.

React's certainly out, and thank god the mood is finally shifting enough that I can abandon it without harming my career (much). Slow, janky, and god they've made some weird choices with it in the last few years. It was always a bit heavy, but it felt like it had some degree of elegance to it before that—if only in parts of the API itself, not the implementation.

[EDIT] Oh good lord, '.vue'. Don't any of these just use normal-ass code? Sigh.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Some examples of directly measurable KPIs: 1. Mood diary 2. Time spent on social media, negative 3. Hours of sleep 4. Steps walked, number of repetitions in exercise, calories burnt 5. Psychometric tests (help measure mental clarity) https://openpsychometrics.org/ 6. N-back: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0220... 7. Active vocabulary test to measure available crystallized intelligence 8. Biom…

I have a strong dislike of the modern focus on personal measurement and metrics. It implies a sort of mechanistic existence. It’s also often connected to a focus on productivity optimization, which given that the OP may be suffering from burnout, seems like it might be the wrong direction. My advice to OP: whether it’s burnout or not (and it does sound like it), you aren’t liking what you’re doing right now, so if yo…

> I have a strong dislike of the modern focus on personal measurement and metrics. It implies a sort of mechanistic existence. It’s also often connected to a focus on productivity optimization, which given that the OP may be suffering from burnout, seems like it might be the wrong direction.

Those things actually help reduce burnout, in my experience. An hour of sleep can make a big difference.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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I hate engaging in surrogate activities which are only abstractly related to the things I need to survive. Even though I understand it's necessary due to the sophistication of manufacturing and the economies of scale of it all, it's mentally destructive.

The worst part of software development for me is knowing that all of my work will eventually be thrown away or useless soon.

I stopped caring about my work completely. I force myself to continue because only because it pays well for the amount of time I spend on it. I make much less than SV types on here. But it's much more efficient than any alternatives I have identified so far, even though I accomplish nearly nothing essential. My current job only exists because a bureaucrat decided their government needs to invasively monitor my company's financial activity. How useful!

I only care about my family, especially my children, and the time I spend together with them chilling, cooking, playing, and learning.

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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In addition, it can also because the more experienced we get, the more we forget about the initial struggle we had to overcome to become experienced. When we develop expertise, we go deeper and deeper, each new learning experience reinforce our previous knowledge. But when we have to operate a paradigm shift, we don't go deeper, it's a lateral movement. We start back at the beginning. For some people it's the other w…

I don't remember forgetting things as soon as I learned them, when I was a kid. I grew knowledge quite rapidly. Now I can re read the same thing every week and re "learn" it.

I can imagine several hypotheses to answer that:

- at school, it's the job of the teacher to force us to repeat until we've learned something. See Anki and other SRS systems.

- as a kid you don't read to learn, you read because it's fun or because you want to try something. See what another commenter said, you learn by practicing, not by reading alone.

- you forget all that you've forget as a child :)

Also, kids like to imagine stories. In the literature about learning, one method used to improve the retention is too create vivid images about what you want to learn, in other words, imagine stories to memorize. Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/208/

Kids also rehearse stuff a _lot_ => Anki/SRS

Having said that, I like to learn about learning but I don't consider myself a particularly good learner :)

Re: Ask HN: Why can't I learn anymore?

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Walk. And lift weights - all three basic exercises should be done. That's what saved me in my then mid 30s in a comparable circumstances.

deadlifting? no thanks.

Please do.

Deadlift does not generally activate or train muscles that you can use to move your ears. All other muscles will be used in deadlift.

It is single most taxing exercise. Even squats are less taxing: you can perform barbell squat without using hands [1], you cannot do deadlift like that.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg8D90wUvAo

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