this only works when people take thier phones everywhere they go
So...it only works for 99% of the population?
but that can change, the deciding factor is which addiction is greater; cellphone, or tracking.
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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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It's definitely not orthogonal to how you live your life; their very purpose is to limit how you live your life in order to prevent/reduce behaviors that spread disease. For example, they issue quarantine orders.[1] People understand that is their mission. Some find it scary. Everyone has a different threshold at which they start to object to the CDC overriding people's freedom in the pursuit of disease control, but…
It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recommendations. The rest of the world is out here waiting for you, please wake up. We need everyone to make this work.
> What are you talking about?
The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives.
Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recommendations. The rest of the world is out here waiting for you, please wake up. We need everyone to make this work.
> What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
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Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#224This is an excellent use of the data, a proof that it is worthwhile for the data to exist, and a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy. It actually sounds like the anonymization and aggregation was done pretty well for this. There's no such thing as 100% anonymity, but there are useful levels of anonymity. The fact that we don't have a standardized way of blessing data…
> If you want to maximize privacy here, then let's pass laws to prevent doctors from knowing the gender, age, and weight of any of their patients.
I am fine with my doctor knowing this about me. I am not fine with any doctor who does not see me as a patient knowing anything at all about me.
> This is an excellent use of the data, a proof that it is worthwhile for the data to exist
The use of the data is fine, but as for the data existing, I also find that to be questionable (in its current form). The particular issue that I have is that the data is used without true consent, and as such is tainted.
OTOH, I suspect that "being OK with the CDC tracking your movements via GPS" would eliminate a very important cohort from the study.
Which brings me back to your original statement:
> a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy
I don't genuinely don't know that we can have both (informed consent) and (quality data).
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#225This is an excellent use of the data, a proof that it is worthwhile for the data to exist, and a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy. It actually sounds like the anonymization and aggregation was done pretty well for this. There's no such thing as 100% anonymity, but there are useful levels of anonymity. The fact that we don't have a standardized way of blessing data…
I get that CDC is extremely interested in measuring effects of policy and PR.
What bothers me is how shady this is. Government shouldn't reach out to gray-area thugs for supply, and they should not try to keep their methods secret. Keep in mind public health authorities are absolutely dependent upon their reputation and track record. Having high trust is critical for ensuring voluntary compliance when shit hits the fan. They seem entirely unaware of this and operates more like an intelligence agency. Even if you're still trusting of CDC, can you at least see how these actions risk eroding that for others?
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I don't approve of using the term conspiracies as a way to denounce the questioning of true intentions or possible problem areas. Unless someone can prove that no one involved in the tuskegee "incident"[0] is no longer employed or influential at the CDC I will just resign myself to thinking that THEY are the conspiracy theorist, a conspiracy to seem infallible or at least incorruptible. Such a concept is of course ri…
The Tuskegee Experiment ended 50 years ago. One would have to have had a rather long career to have been employed at the CDC both then and now.
Anthony Fauci has been at NIH since 1968. That might be a rare example, but long careers do happen.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
#227This is an excellent use of the data, a proof that it is worthwhile for the data to exist, and a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy. It actually sounds like the anonymization and aggregation was done pretty well for this. There's no such thing as 100% anonymity, but there are useful levels of anonymity. The fact that we don't have a standardized way of blessing data…
>and a terrifying demonstration that we need to grow the hell up with respect to data privacy
Once again, "conspiracy theorists" were right. I'm beginning to think the governments of the world are reading them for ideas.
>The fact that we don't have a standardized way of blessing data with varying known levels of privacy, checked and enforced by law, is kind of ridiculous in 2022.
Sure, and then as soon as that happens, someone who has patented/copyrighted the process coincidentally is handed a government mandated empire worth millions in licensing fees. Look into ICD-10 codes if you need an example. It's the classic college professor scam where they write the textbook and force everyone to buy it.
>It shouldn't be up to the CDC to act counter to their mission.
If CDC can't do the job without violating 4th amendment, it shouldn't exist. It's not a "private company" and the bill of rights exists for a good reason.
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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It feels like your living in some strange alternate reality. What are you talking about? How is the CDC 'overriding freedom'? They collect data and make recommendations. The rest of the world is out here waiting for you, please wake up. We need everyone to make this work.
> What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
Which specific limits on freedom are necessary? What are the criteria for determining necessity?
Re: CDC tracked millions of phones to see if Americans followed lockdown orders
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> What are you talking about? The CDC's mission is fundamentally the same as the mission of the Chinese disease control agency. The difference is how that mission is balanced against people's freedom to live their lives. Please don't misunderstand; that doesn't mean that I oppose everything they do. Everything they do limits freedom, but sometimes that is necessary.
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> THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS
Ahh, I see where the confusion is. They actually have authority to issue legally binding orders.
"To help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and help our country cope during the pandemic, CDC has occasionally issued legally binding orders and regulations."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cdcresponse/laws-r...
Not all such orders are listed on that page. For example, "CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky today signed an order determining the evictions of tenants for failure to make rent or housing payments could be detrimental to public health control measures".
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0803-cdc-eviction-o...
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> CDC are the least scary people buying this data Most buyers probably just want to target advertising at me, or otherwise grab my attention. The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. And they seem to think they can have unchecked power by invoking "science". Can someone name a scarrier entity that could be tracking you? I don't…
> The CDC wants a say in how people live their lives and thinks they know better than individuals about risk tolerance and decisions. Their charter is disease control . How you 'live your life' is orthogonal to that mission - they're responsible for stopping you from infecting other people with communicable diseases. That is also your own responsibility , and just because responsibilities aren't always things you wan…
This is exactly why the CDC should not exit. Their mission is at loggerheads with liberty.