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Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by chipgap98 »

whiskyant wrote: post #215
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #75

It's been mentioned before in other articles, but I don't think it can be understated how much iMessage makes it difficult to be the "odd man out" if you're on an Android phone. And it's not just about teenagers, and it's not about "green bubbles". I recently went on a vacation with friends, 4 other folks on iPhones and me on an Android. Our group chat experience almost made me consider getting an iPhone. The inabili…

WhatsApp, Messenger, or even Instagram are all potential alternatives. All from the Facebook family.

> All from the Facebook family.

I think that makes plenty of people on HN hesitant to adopt those

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by vmception »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #162
vmception wrote: post #88

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iOS messaging has end to end encryption by default, when that is enabled the messages are shown within a "blue bubble". When this is not possible, it falls back to sending normal SMS, which can be read in plain text by third parties in the middle and has no encryption, when that occurs messages are shown within a "green bubble". Therefore, messaging android users shows a "green bubble". People know its both an androi…

Hmm, I have never heard anyone mention "knowing its... unencrypted" I doubt most iOS users would care about that, realistically. Note that the experience is bad in both directions (at least for me in Signal on Android I get to endure a lot of 'so and so loved whole-text-of-previous-message' instead of just a heart emoji - I see that GOOG has improved things Messages recently to parse those, at least)

Right it’s just a convenient scape goat now, for an existing disdain against those people

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by vmception »

martinflack wrote: post #145
na85 wrote: post #73

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>people have just resorted to ostracizing android users by co-opting iOS' "green bubbles" as a scarlet letter. What does this mean?

For a long-form answer, Marques Brownlee has a video[0] that discusses the technical, commercial, and social aspects. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuaKzm7Kq9Q

Great video, I watched the whole thing, covers everything

The comments cover other aspects like middle school teachers seeing it first hand amongst students

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by orra »

Narushia wrote: post #178
x0x0 wrote: post #91

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The security upgrades situation on Google is intolerable. I finally have a phone (3axl) that didn't die in a couple years from accidents / abuse / going to the gym in my pocket, and Google is eol-ing it because they've cut off security upgrades. My next phone will be an iphone.

I thought they had moved security updates to be delivered via Google Play so that users could keep receiving them even when the OEM doesn’t deliver OS updates anymore? Or are those separate security updates from the "normal" firmware security patches?

Somewhat? The browser and presumably the webview is distributed through Google Play, yes. But kernel upgrades are not.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by Kye »

Narushia wrote: post #178
x0x0 wrote: post #91

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The security upgrades situation on Google is intolerable. I finally have a phone (3axl) that didn't die in a couple years from accidents / abuse / going to the gym in my pocket, and Google is eol-ing it because they've cut off security upgrades. My next phone will be an iphone.

I thought they had moved security updates to be delivered via Google Play so that users could keep receiving them even when the OEM doesn’t deliver OS updates anymore? Or are those separate security updates from the "normal" firmware security patches?

I thought that too with my last Android. It never got them, so my next phone was a 6S Plus in 2018 (launched in 2015) that still gets updates.

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by wolverine876 »

8K832d7tNmiQ wrote: post #168
QuikAccount wrote: post #48

I've been heavily considering getting an iPhone because of how terrible the Android experience but my problem with Apple is that you are either fully in their ecosystem of you aren't a worthy enough customer in their mind. I have no desire to use iCloud or Apple mail or have an AppleID. I just want a small phone that gets updates, has maps, and has a decent music app.

I'm sorry, but I fail to understand your argument here. Either you are Edward Snowden or Elliot, there is no written rule to use every single Apple services in order to use iPhone. I've been using iPhone for almost a decade and the only feature I only ever use is Find My Iphone for obvious reason. > I just want a small phone that gets updates, has maps, and has a decent music app. And what stops you for doing that in…

Can you install apps without an AppleID? Can you pay for things in apps without using Apple's payment system?

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by notreallyserio »

MBCook wrote: post #132
tomtheelder wrote: post #85

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I switched recently, and honestly have found the experience on iPhone to broadly be worse. There are a few things that are a bit nicer, but the downgrade in the notifications system alone just tanks the experience. That said I switched for mostly privacy reasons, so won't be going back.

I don’t think I’ve ever used android for more than about 30 seconds on someone else’s phone. I wasn’t aware there was a difference in the notification system. What makes android better?

Android notifications can be more interactive. They're you perform quick actions like reactions to slack messages or archiving emails. Basically the things you can do on an Apple Watch but not the iPhone.

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Post by Zardoz84 »

nextos wrote: post #50
lawl wrote: post #12

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It's pick your poison. The only reason I'm still on android is because at least I can (still) have root there. I'm saying still because of safety net. But if apple let me have root, i'd probably prefer an Apple over Google. Mobile phones and their user hostility is a cancer. I'm seriously considering using a full GNU/Linux handheld for mobile things i can do in a browser, and keep an android phone for app garbage tha…

Call me crazy, but I think there is room for a third platform. Especially if this platform was bootstrapped in a smart way, for example with an emulation layer to be able to run applications from Android. Or perhaps WebAssembly will make it viable to do more things from a (mobile) browser. I really miss the N700-N9 series with Maemo and Meego. It was so elegant and simple.

Firefox tried it some years ago. Same Microsoft, Samsung, etc...

Re: Android loses 8% of its global OS market share in five years

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Post by [deleted] »

armadsen wrote: post #202
notatoad wrote: post #86

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As much as I hate promoting Facebook products, "let's make a WhatsApp group" seems to be the socially-acceptable solution to this. Everybody has it installed and always seems to be happy to switch communication over to it if somebody in the group suggests it.

I think this is only really true outside of the US. I only have WhatsApp installed because I've spent time outside the US (Africa, specifically) and it's defacto standard there. I literally never use it to talk to people in the US, nor do I know anyone else here who uses it.

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