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The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by scarface74 »

Kbelicius wrote: post #179
scarface74 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you also going to force phone manufacturers to provide OS updates for 7 years like Apple is doing and security updates for nine years? I can get my battery replaced for $50-$70. If the EU had forced a common standard before USB C became prevalent we would be stuck with USB A. Government moves way too slowly and doesn’t have a clue about technology. GDPR made web browsing worse with cookie pop ups everywhere.

> If the EU had forced a common standard before USB C became prevalent we would be stuck with USB A. No we wouldn't. > GDPR made web browsing worse with cookie pop ups everywhere. Cookie pop ups are not happening because of GDPR.

What would happen if the EU enforced a standard before USB C and a manufacturer wanted to use USB C instead of the previous mandated “standard”?

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by kaba0 »

usrn wrote: post #220
kaba0 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wayland is here without any need to tinker for modern features.

Modern features like screenshots? Wayland is a nightmare of second system syndrome for most users.

Wayland can do screenshots since like forever. Do try it out before you believe every false claim on the internet.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by fartcannon »

jamesmishra wrote: post #174
fartcannon wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is HN so I'll be slaughtered for this reply, but someone definitely tried to fix the banks issue a little over a decade ago. But yeah, fair enough! I choose to just not chat to those people, but I totally get that it's not that easy for some.

You choose not to chat with your friend group?

The goofs trying to communicate via Snapchat, yeah.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by willnonya »

cehrlich wrote: post #180
zwieback wrote: post #30

I like the idea of a more open phone a lot but dispute the "Smartphones are shit" premise. I think modern smart phones are an unbelievably awesome value. Battery, display, wireless and processing power have advanced at such an unbelievable rate that we have something in our pockets that far exceeds predictions of 20, 30, 100 years ago. The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great…

The fundamental problem seems to be that there is one group of people who believe that smartphones should be 'real computers', and another group that wants it to be something different, more limited. For my personal usage I'm in the second group. I have several 'real computers', and I just want my phone to do phone stuff, and do it without getting in my way. I have no interest in switching from my iPhone to a PinePho…

Sadly I think you're in the majority. The problem with that is that this focus limits what others can do with their devices more than the reverse forces you to use your phone as a 'real computer'.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by jarbus »

HidyBush wrote: post #29

The funny thing is that PinePhone's problems almost entirely fall on the software side. I think we can all agree that for basic smartphone usage the base PinePhone is plenty overkill. How much processing power do you need to send messages? Take and look at moderate resolution photos? Render an OpenStreetMap tile? If somehow web browsers didn't exist the only downsides left for the Pinephone would maybe be regarding h…

As someone who uses a PinePhone, this is hard to say. Web browsing on the device is incredibly slow, just opening the browser can take fifteen seconds. If this could be improved with software optimizations, then it might be overkill, but as it stands, this phone can’t do basic web browsing to any decent standard and still has me reaching for an iPhone

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by simonh »

usrn wrote: post #97
zwieback wrote: post #30

I like the idea of a more open phone a lot but dispute the "Smartphones are shit" premise. I think modern smart phones are an unbelievably awesome value. Battery, display, wireless and processing power have advanced at such an unbelievable rate that we have something in our pockets that far exceeds predictions of 20, 30, 100 years ago. The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great…

As someone who had a few pre-smartphone PDAs: Smartphones absolutely are high powered shit. On paper they're amazing but the ecosystem limits you to scrolling instagram and only a handfull of accepted IMs (iOS struggles with XMPP and IRC for example, something even my hacked DS could do fine with 4MB of ram and a 60Mhz ARM9.) Just editing fucking textfiles and copying it back to a normal PC (that isn't a mac) is a re…

>Just editing fucking textfiles and copying it back to a normal PC (that isn't a mac) is a real bitch.

Did Dropbox and Google Drive shut down service when I wasn't looking? Did the handful of code editors I use suddenly lose the ability to save text files? Did the Files app suddenly lose access to my iSH file system, rendering using Vi under Linux on my iPad impractical?

No.... phew.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by HidyBush »

jarbus wrote: post #225
HidyBush wrote: post #29

The funny thing is that PinePhone's problems almost entirely fall on the software side. I think we can all agree that for basic smartphone usage the base PinePhone is plenty overkill. How much processing power do you need to send messages? Take and look at moderate resolution photos? Render an OpenStreetMap tile? If somehow web browsers didn't exist the only downsides left for the Pinephone would maybe be regarding h…

As someone who uses a PinePhone, this is hard to say. Web browsing on the device is incredibly slow, just opening the browser can take fifteen seconds. If this could be improved with software optimizations, then it might be overkill, but as it stands, this phone can’t do basic web browsing to any decent standard and still has me reaching for an iPhone

The state of web browsing on the Pinephone is awful mostly because of the UI. When using the Gnome browser all the websites I visit (which I admit are mostly lightweight like HN) are very pleasantly rendered and fast to scroll and interact with. Personally I believe that web browsing with a smartphone shouldn't really be a thing outside of basic textual content, but that's because I really can't figure how we have collectively concluded that being glued to a minuscule screen is desirable

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by beckman466 »

zwieback wrote: post #30

I like the idea of a more open phone a lot but dispute the "Smartphones are shit" premise. I think modern smart phones are an unbelievably awesome value. Battery, display, wireless and processing power have advanced at such an unbelievable rate that we have something in our pockets that far exceeds predictions of 20, 30, 100 years ago. The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great…

> The problem is that we don't want to pay what it really costs to have such a great system

what does that even mean?

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by usrn »

kaba0 wrote: post #222
usrn wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern features like screenshots? Wayland is a nightmare of second system syndrome for most users.

Wayland can do screenshots since like forever. Do try it out before you believe every false claim on the internet.

The implication was that screenshots require tinkering although I can see why that wasn't clear.

Re: The case for LineageOS and the PinePhone

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Post by fartcannon »

hrbf wrote: post #118
fartcannon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please elaborate on how the current state of hardware design and manufacturing ensures that mainstream adoption will can and will never happen.

> You need a greedy corporation that is incentivized to make a friction-free experience for the end user. Too many well-meaning, but way too smart for their own good developers think everyone else thinks like them. That goes for software as well as hardware. Plus, hardware needs a certain quality and price point, both of which are in short supply. Everyone who’s tried designing and shipping a quality hardware product…

Don't underestimate the average users ability to do something they think is cool.
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