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Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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Yep

You have critics saying things like

> "I recognized the humour in the film, but connected with none of it," O'Connell wrote in his review.

> "By rooting Turning Red very specifically in the Asian community of Toronto, the film legitimately feels like it was made for Domee Shi's friends and immediate family members. Which is fine — but also, a tad limiting in its scope."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/turning-red-review-pul...

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086040083/turning-red-contro...

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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I suspect film might just be dead as an artistic medium that can be enjoyed by lots of people. I maybe go to a movie theatre once every couple of years these days, the rest of the time I watch things at home. It’s a hard ask to set aside two contiguous hours (or more!) to watch a film when there are so many good series or video games that demand less contiguous attention. People will rant about attention spans I gues…

Almost all my friends echo your sentiment that film is much harder to commit to than a TV show; and I can't disagree more. Watching a TV series means I'm committing to 8+ hours per season, across many days of my life. A film, even a 2 hour one, I watch in an evening and can enjoy taking it in in full, with all questions that it wants to answer itself being answered. A TV show will end with cliffhangers each episode j…

Both of you should give this lecture to people in the third world.

The act of sitting on a couch, watching something entertaining that thousands of people put work in to produce, is a "commitment". And in fact, the commitment is too much. Because for this same commitment, one could replace it with several smaller ones that entail the exact same thing, but with even less thinking.

If only there were a device that would just directly inject the memory of a movie into our brains, saves us from all this "effort".

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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I feel like the mass of people are ossifying around the familiar. People like re-watching the same stuff that they've already watched, they're comfortable these days watching reboots of the same superhero movies. They like big budgets and flashy special effects. They don't like being challenged by anything. Even when it comes to something like online forums, something like reddit is mostly a wasteland of the same 50…

> "they're comfortable these days watching reboots of the same superhero movies" This in particular. I don't mind the odd superhero movie, but they seem wildly overrepresented in big budget movies. It feels it's also frequently a retelling of Spiderman or Batman. I don't think I can stand another Spidey or Batman origin story, or another "...and the next villain is hinted at to be the Joker!". Occasionally there's a…

Batman currently is the only profitable DC franchise...

For example there was an article making rounds about how of the Top40 most sold DC comics recently, Batman is in 37 of them.

Basically, Batman sells, other DC properties, not so much. Even Superman is struggling.

I have no idea why is that, but I suspect that is because most DC characters require too much skill to write well (for example superman is literally invincible and indestructible, the only conflict you can have in his stories are psychological, ethical, etc... ones. But instead crappier writers kept relying on the stupid kryptonite, because that is the only way to force Superman to have a not-boring action sequence if there are no psychological, ethical, sociological, etc... restraints).

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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I feel like the mass of people are ossifying around the familiar. People like re-watching the same stuff that they've already watched, they're comfortable these days watching reboots of the same superhero movies. They like big budgets and flashy special effects. They don't like being challenged by anything. Even when it comes to something like online forums, something like reddit is mostly a wasteland of the same 50…

> that sweet spot of mediocrity that gains piles of "updoots" Being truly excellent does not mean maximizing popularity. It’s a trap. But it also means a lot of smart people learn this early and can’t deal with modern self-marketing. I think this dynamic negatively affects culture. The solution, I think, is smaller communities.

How about 2000ish people?

Add more and people start seeing each other as strangers instead of neighbors (IMO).

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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I feel like the mass of people are ossifying around the familiar. People like re-watching the same stuff that they've already watched, they're comfortable these days watching reboots of the same superhero movies. They like big budgets and flashy special effects. They don't like being challenged by anything. Even when it comes to something like online forums, something like reddit is mostly a wasteland of the same 50…

>They don't like being challenged by anything. "Challenging" is such a bullshit term. It implies there's something meaty for your brain to chew on, but 9/10 times it's a pretentious way to write off people who don't like hamfisted righteousness that fits squarely into run-of-the-mill positions and ideas that are Hollywood-safe. Those movies are pablum just as much as marvel franchises or 90 minutes of fart and dick j…

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Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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The problem is that people that end up being film critics, celebrities and journalists are not representative of the population at large and they're mostly (with plenty of exceptions) susceptible to the politicised division that curse our time (which is a result of the technology we have available nowadays).

The end result is that politics doesn't simply bleed into art (as it always been) but forces the people in art to create propaganda tools.

When you say that half of the population is batshit crazy and this message is propagated through popular media everywhere, you end up with a scism.

In the same way as people are growing disillusioned with celebrities and newspapers, they're also putting miles between themselves and film critics - and Hollywood for that matter.

I'm looking forward to The Daily Wire (an American conservative publication) building an Hollywood alternative and making movies without the wokeness. Their first movie, Run Hide Fight has critics at 43% vs the audience at 93%.

The data presented in the article is interesting but I feel it's lacking a dimension. It's not about quantity, it's about the extremes.

The feminist reboot of Ghostbusters has critics at 73% vs the audience at 49% which is telling me more about this issue than knowing that critics like documentaries more than the average person.

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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I feel like the mass of people are ossifying around the familiar. People like re-watching the same stuff that they've already watched, they're comfortable these days watching reboots of the same superhero movies. They like big budgets and flashy special effects. They don't like being challenged by anything. Even when it comes to something like online forums, something like reddit is mostly a wasteland of the same 50…

I think it has always been this way. I worked in a video rental store in the 90's, and every movie was either a military story (Vietnam: bad, Russians: bad, current US military: good), courtroom drama, divorce drama, or high school / college comedy. A few decent psychological thrillers and campy horror flicks too. Basically a never-ending stream of the same movie with different actors. Hollywood has never been accuse…

The 90s also coincides with the end of the theater business. It trickled into the 00s a bit, but not by much.

You could have a first run movie in a movie theater that cost less than a few millions to make, and it had a shot of finding an audience. Movies could hang around for more than a couple of weeks because it didn't cost three digits to take a family to the theater and have a box of popcorn.

Now, if the movie doesn't make $900 billion by the end of the opening credits, it's yanked. Movie makers can't compete with major studios with tent pole IP for screen space, so they've taken their talents to streaming services like Neflix, or even YouTube.

There's also a communal aspect of movies in the US that's gone. Cultural touchstones aren't made in the movie theater anymore. It's all divided and subdivided by algorithms so the geeks and jocks (or greasers and socs, or Jets and Sharks) never have to mingle unless they make an effort. These days you can mix in a constant stream of ethnic and racial grievances about who is represented or not, or how much, or all the other social justice palaver that makes our current world so very lovely and livable.

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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Were they ever in sync? I've always seen critics as a "negative recommendation" -- if a critic recommends a movie, it's usually bad and vice versa (and like all rules there notable exceptions like Thor Ragnarok, which both critics and normal people loved). And this is true not just in movies but books as well. Critics in both domains love the "ooh lala, fancy pancy hard to understand arty farty" book/movie that doesn…

Critics are overall a good influence in movie picking in my experience - you just need to understand when they have an agenda and they push some crap movies just because they want to push some social message down your throat.

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

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film critics tend to be "connoisseurs" which means that they prise the unusual, technical or some other subtle feature that's only really obvious after lots of repeat viewing.

Not only that, they are intensely competitive to heap praise on cool stuff and dump shit on stuff that's not "cool"

For example Crash one the best picture oscar in 2006. Its a shit film. Yes it talks about racism, and that perhaps the racist isn't that bad because he's got a sick dad. But still he can feel up a black woman though, thats allowed.

Its just such an unsatisfying movie.

near that time https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all... all these came out, and there are some genuinley entertaining movies in there. V for vendetta, The queen, casino royal

All sorts.

But the critics loved crash because it was "brave"

was it fuck. It was a mashed about script that barely survived the gazillion re-writes and "tweaks" from producers that have more money than sense.

In short, most critics should be ignored, and placed in the same bin that contains "film theorists"

As someone who was both forced to take a film theory module in uni, and then went to work in the movies for ten years, I can firmly tell you that film thoery is mostly wank

1) author theory. Nope, its a massive team effort, no such thing

2) Feminism in hollywood: there is none. there are like 6 female directors of rank, of which at least two are only there because of their dad. Most screen writers are male as well. Any female script will be "tightend" by a committee of men, you known to make it sell.

Re: Are film critics losing sync with audiences?

#230

film critics tend to be "connoisseurs" which means that they prise the unusual, technical or some other subtle feature that's only really obvious after lots of repeat viewing. Not only that, they are intensely competitive to heap praise on cool stuff and dump shit on stuff that's not "cool" For example Crash one the best picture oscar in 2006. Its a shit film. Yes it talks about racism, and that perhaps the racist is…

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