An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email • Hacker News Board

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:10 AM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #202

VTimofeenko wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have tried this approach. Unfortunately, some services will not accept plus sign in the username no matter what RFC says. On top of that, some services seem to not like seeing the service name in the username. I.e. foo.tld will refuse sending email to mailbox+foo@mydomain.tld.

> I.e. foo.tld will refuse sending email to mailbox+foo@mydomain.tld. While I never had that issue, I had Foo’s legal service contact me about using their trademarked name in my email (a short explanation cleared it up)

It is better to use this scheme with an underscore or hyphen as they won't be rejected by incompetents like plus is.

name_nospam@blah

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by Rebelgecko » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:15 AM UTC

up6w6 wrote: post #49

The most popular open-source alternatives are SimpleLogin[1] and AnonAddy[2]. The former one was just acquired by ProtonMail[3]. [1] https://github.com/simple-login/app/ [2] https://github.com/anonaddy/anonaddy [3] https://protonmail.com/blog/proton-and-simplelogin-join-forc...

I'm a big fan of SpamGourmet, but I've noticed a few websites have started to blacklist it

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by csunbird » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:36 AM UTC

hackernewds wrote: post #107

Why not just use phil+craigslist@gmail.com or phil+kmart@gmail.com to achieve the same effect? ends up in the same phil@gmail.com inbox

Because the spammers got smart, they automatically remove the plus sign before sending emails.

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by satyamkapoor » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:53 AM UTC

PascLeRasc wrote: post #147

beeboop wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been happily using fastmail for years and I think I'm going to be forced to stop. My outbound emails are constantly getting caught in spam and it recently cost me a job offer.

I really really want to like Fastmail too, but it’s also cost me a job interview when the RSVP didn’t go through.

My only scare with not using gmail and outlook calendars. However I moved to Zoho for mails and nextcloud self hosted for calendars. For mail delivery I make sure to verify again n again my SPF DKIM is valid or not but it’s a scare still :(

Isn’t it so bad that it’s overly hard to move away :(

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by spookyuser » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:53 AM UTC

Hide my email is great but I've also really been enjoying the new duck email service that does the same thing just because it's quicker to use on windows, where you have to open icloud, create a new email and paste it in.

In fact the duck email service is nearly perfect, except for the fact that the extension forces you to use duck as a search engine and so you literally have to modify the chrome extension and store it locally if you just want the email service.

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by Semaphor » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 6:56 AM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #221

Semaphor wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I.e. foo.tld will refuse sending email to mailbox+foo@mydomain.tld. While I never had that issue, I had Foo’s legal service contact me about using their trademarked name in my email (a short explanation cleared it up)

It is better to use this scheme with an underscore or hyphen as they won't be rejected by incompetents like plus is. name_nospam@blah

I actually use tag@example.org.

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by tao_oat » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 7:07 AM UTC

I made something similar that I've been using for several months now: https://shroud.email/

The concept is fundamentally the same as Hide My Email or DuckDuckGo's service, but it's libre software and has (IMO) a better UI to manage addresses. It also stops tracking pixels, which Hide My Email doesn't do unless you also use Mail.app. It's hosted in the EU and runs entirely on renewable energy.

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by nicky0 » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 7:12 AM UTC

tao_oat wrote: post #227

I made something similar that I've been using for several months now: https://shroud.email/ The concept is fundamentally the same as Hide My Email or DuckDuckGo's service, but it's libre software and has (IMO) a better UI to manage addresses. It also stops tracking pixels, which Hide My Email doesn't do unless you also use Mail.app. It's hosted in the EU and runs entirely on renewable energy.

Seems great, but the same question I have with most email add-on services, how do I know you aren't reading my email? Seems a risk to introduce additional 3rd parties into the email system.

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by mslate » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 7:17 AM UTC

yifanlu wrote: post #11

I signed up for Comcast Xfinity using a brand new “hide my email” address and three months later I started receiving phishing emails at that address. (I’ve gotten over half a dozen so far). Made me realize that either Comcast was hacked (without disclosing it) or they’re selling people’s emails.

Isn't it entirely possible that they are guessing your email address?

Re: An Ode to Apple’s Hide My Email

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Post by tao_oat » Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 7:24 AM UTC

nicky0 wrote: post #228

tao_oat wrote: post #227

I made something similar that I've been using for several months now: https://shroud.email/ The concept is fundamentally the same as Hide My Email or DuckDuckGo's service, but it's libre software and has (IMO) a better UI to manage addresses. It also stops tracking pixels, which Hide My Email doesn't do unless you also use Mail.app. It's hosted in the EU and runs entirely on renewable energy.

Seems great, but the same question I have with most email add-on services, how do I know you aren't reading my email? Seems a risk to introduce additional 3rd parties into the email system.

I agree that this is a challenge! If you want to use the hosted version, it's impossible to avoid the need for that trust. I'm working on making self-hosting easier for this reason.

Some other services (like Firefox Relay) will use AWS' Simple Email Service for everything. I opted to go for [MailPace](https://mailpace.com/), an independent, privacy-focused provider instead, which is an improvement but still not ideal. I believe that SimpleLogin lets you self-host your email, which is best from a privacy perspective, but I'm slightly concerned about the UX of having to think about email deliverability. Still experimenting with that!