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Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by pigbearpig »

abandonliberty wrote: post #174
car_analogy wrote: post #62

Suppose you want to do something anonymously. 1. Download installer from Mozilla from your home network - Mozilla now has your home IP and installer ID. 2. Transfer it via USB key to a secure, anonymous computer - one not linked to you, on a network not associated with you, such as public WiFi. 3. Install Firefox using that installer on said computer. It transmits the installer ID to Mozilla, which matches the one gi…

I can't believe the apologists commenting on this. Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you know about. There's no reason to continue to believe in Mozilla's good faith. They've been captured, and are 90% dependent on Google revenue. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390 Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It does…

I can. I'd still rather use Firefox than Chrome or Edge when it comes to privacy. "Firefox is dead ... Time to bury the putrid, rotting corpse" is ridiculously dramatic.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by vlark »

OrlandoHakim wrote: post #194
rackjack wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What're the alternatives to Firefox? The only ones that come to mind are Opera and Brave, and Brave had some controversy too.

What is controversial about Brave? Seems like the best alternative at the moment IMHO

Some folks object to the Brave Rewards system and the embedded crypto wallet.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by babypuncher »

abandonliberty wrote: post #174
car_analogy wrote: post #62

Suppose you want to do something anonymously. 1. Download installer from Mozilla from your home network - Mozilla now has your home IP and installer ID. 2. Transfer it via USB key to a secure, anonymous computer - one not linked to you, on a network not associated with you, such as public WiFi. 3. Install Firefox using that installer on said computer. It transmits the installer ID to Mozilla, which matches the one gi…

I can't believe the apologists commenting on this. Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you know about. There's no reason to continue to believe in Mozilla's good faith. They've been captured, and are 90% dependent on Google revenue. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390 Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It does…

You say all this as if Chrome is somehow not even worse

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by babypuncher »

yinyang_in wrote: post #202
rackjack wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What're the alternatives to Firefox? The only ones that come to mind are Opera and Brave, and Brave had some controversy too.

I see Vivaldi is good browser, operated by former opera people

Vivaldi is still Chrome though

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by babypuncher »

OrlandoHakim wrote: post #194
rackjack wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What're the alternatives to Firefox? The only ones that come to mind are Opera and Brave, and Brave had some controversy too.

What is controversial about Brave? Seems like the best alternative at the moment IMHO

Even without all the controversies, Brave is still Chrome.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by [deleted] »

jl6 wrote: post #219
abandonliberty wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe the apologists commenting on this. Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you know about. There's no reason to continue to believe in Mozilla's good faith. They've been captured, and are 90% dependent on Google revenue. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390 Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It does…

How about we try and fix this rather than walking away? All the alternatives are even worse.

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Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by sn41 »

jl6 wrote: post #219
abandonliberty wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't believe the apologists commenting on this. Firefox put a lot of effort into tracking download to install behavior. Maybe this is the only violation you know about. There's no reason to continue to believe in Mozilla's good faith. They've been captured, and are 90% dependent on Google revenue. Discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28954390 Firefox is dead. It's time to move past denial. It does…

How about we try and fix this rather than walking away? All the alternatives are even worse.

I still often use Lynx, and eww when I am in Emacs.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Post by ex_mozilla »

I'm posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

I've been working at Mozilla since its inception. And eventually left the company 2 years ago.

And I'm so mad.

Mozilla is not the Mozilla that was created almost 20 years ago. It's not the same people there. After the Firefox 4 nightmare, they started hiring product managers from big corp. We started seeing some ex-twitter, ex-microsoft, ex-amazon joining the company. People with more professional ambitions. We didn't know how to react to Google Chrome and the smartphone revolution. We all trusted the upper management, but upper management was slowly becoming non-mozillians.

And an absurd mechanic started: original engineer were busy writing difficult code. upper-management was morphing into some BS silicon valley gang. New young engineers were hired, and they thought the core of Mozilla values lied in these upper-management people. And slowly the original engineers started leaving, leaving behind this BS people with these young engineers.

Marketing became "how to show we're good people". LGBT, women right, etc etc. Who gives a shit about Mozilla standing for these values? It's all marketing. The real only value, the manifesto, burnt a long time ago.

Don't get me wrong, LGBT and such are important, but that's not the job of Mozilla.

The last blow: getting rid of Brendan. Maybe he didn't have the same values employees had about LGBT, but fuck this. People in the silicon valley *love* being offended. And that thing was just too good of a fight for them. Brendan was the last bastion standing.

I'm so so so mad.

Mitchell trusted the wrong people. We were seeing all these ambitious silicon-valley-puppets taking the position of PM, director, etc etc…

Got damn, all we wanted is to make Gecko amazing, light, in a lightweight simple browser. But all these stupid features that were landing on our head…

I'm so mad…

Rant over.

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