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Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Somehow I feel like this is a decent time to bring up Chesterton's fence again https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/

Like I mentioned elsewhere, this offensive holds no rational grounds even if you try hard to see it through a Russian lens - this is why they keep inventing new reasons of invasion on the fly (e.g. the biolab stuff, etc.) So still clinging to the thought that Putin has some kind of grand plan behind him is wishful thinking at best

I've read about the Russians making up new reasons on the fly as well, however I don't know how much this is true. The western medias read so much like propaganda these days that I feel like I cannot take their work for it.

Do you read the news from russian medias directly? (I can't)

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

You may find this article interesting https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...

No, I don't. This narrative is so ridiculous and obvious Russian war justification propaganda I don't understand how people don't see through it. What the viewpoint is suggesting is that sovereign smaller countries (like Ukraine, Finland, Baltics etc.) shouldn't even allowed to think about making alliances to protect THEIR OWN INTERESTS (Not American, Russian on any other superpowers) lest they anger someone in the process.

This guy would rather see smaller independent states swallowed by Russia than provide any kind of resistance. Surely you understand that as a neighbouring country to Russia who has dealt with subtle threats from them for the past 80 years that there's absolutely no kind of sympathy for this viewpoint over here.

Kreml's human embodiment resembles a paranoid schizophrenic who thinks everyone is out to "get them" when in reality it's their irrational warmongering that countries want to shield themself from. Or do you really think NATO has some super secret agenda of assembling an offensive for conquering Moscow?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Like I mentioned elsewhere, this offensive holds no rational grounds even if you try hard to see it through a Russian lens - this is why they keep inventing new reasons of invasion on the fly (e.g. the biolab stuff, etc.) So still clinging to the thought that Putin has some kind of grand plan behind him is wishful thinking at best

I've read about the Russians making up new reasons on the fly as well, however I don't know how much this is true. The western medias read so much like propaganda these days that I feel like I cannot take their work for it. Do you read the news from russian medias directly? (I can't)

Yes I do because I agree to a point with western media bias - all of the biolab and other things are being pushed in these channels too.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Do you not keep up to date on current affairs? When criticizing the Russian war effort can land you in jail for 15 years, it's getting very close to NK - shortages and all included

Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years. And usually has a pretty light touch on this kind of stuff compared to Australia, Canada or the UK. So no, that in itself is not enough to prove to me that Russia is an autocratic dictatorship, when parliamentary democracies…

> Do you not keep up to date? I live in New Zealand, a western democratic country and if I possess or share "objectionable material" of a political nature, I could land in jail for up to 14 years.

What exactly? I could not find anything by Googling on material which would land you in jail for 14 years.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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I don't control the media that surrounds you. Cannot change your opinion

I haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years. Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and mo…

You are just venting. Keep I mind I haven't said Russia is great to its people and neighbours.

I am of the opinion that it's not all their fault and there are other bad actors. Worse even.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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I haven't consumed any mainstream media for the past 5 years. Believe it or not I sympathize with the generic Russian citizen's autonomy and interest for retaining their own identity and culture. It's a tremendous shame all this has happened. As a Finn, we could have a great country right next to our border with something completely culturally unique and different from your average European country, which more and mo…

You are just venting. Keep I mind I haven't said Russia is great to its people and neighbours. I am of the opinion that it's not all their fault and there are other bad actors. Worse even.

You Russian troll factories need a new tactic; this ”no but USA” trope is exceedingly obvious and tired

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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That assertion is rather unsatisfying given that Russia is indeed a nation state with 1000 or so years of history.

You're being very generous with that thousand. Current Russia isn't a descendant of Kyivan Rus

> You're being very generous with that thousand. Current Russia isn't a descendant of Kyivan Rus

I'm beginning to form a hypothesis about why Putin's "Russians and Ukrainians are one people" rhetoric is such a big and important part of the background to this invasion: This whole concept of Russia growing out of Kievan Rus has, as I understand it, long been part of the Russian self-image. In reality, though, at least as far as the actual Russian state is concerned, that's not true at all -- Russia is the descendant of Muscovy[1], not Kiev (=Kyiv). But, as that contrasting-pictures-of-cathedrals-vs-forest meme that did the rounds last week so brilliantly illustrates, Muscovy has pretty much no early history at all -- AFAICR it really rose to prominence only after the Mongol invasions, so it's late-medieval. Kiev, OTOH, goes back to at least the Vikings and Byzantines, so pre- or early-medieval.

So I'm beginning to think this whole conflation of Russia's history with Ukraine's is just Russia looking to shore up its histirical legitimacy. Rulers, particularly autocratic and authoritarian ones, have always wanted to make their country look ancient and venerable: The Swedish Vasa kings consigned a Historia from Olaus Rudbeck that purported to show how Sweden was actually Atlantis reincarnated; Czar Ivan The Terrible, from the original to the current incarnation, tried to usurp Ukraine's history as that of Muscovy.

(No idea how original this is; probably not at all. I mean, it's hard to believe that real historians would have missed it all these years... But not having studied anywhere near enough history, I hadn't seen it before I came up with it on my own.)

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[1]: And, OK, I suppose to some extent of Novgorod.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Haven't been lifted because the same regime which justified the actions in the first place is still in power doing the same things. Foreign military weapons installations didn't have anything to do with it then, and doesn't have anything to do with it now.

If that is all you can say, I don't think we should interact ever again. Reads like standard US propaganda. Must be nice living in that one dimensional world

Sour grapes, said the fox when refuted on his original point.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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> It looks very rational to me. Based on...? > Russia felt threatened and attacked. By what? By Ukraine's Bayraktars? If you want me to get off my high horse, please provide something that can change my position

You may find this article interesting https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2022/03/11/john-mear...

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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Reality shatters your point really quickly, it's even mentioned in the lecture (suggesting you didn't watch it): Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy.

Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy What are you talking about? There have never been any democracy in Russia.

The first years of the Kleptocracy were, at lest formally, politically more or less democratic. Also possibly a few years somewhere in there between the revolutions of 1905 and 1917; perhaps some of the last years of Czarist rule could be said to have been more of a contitutional monarchy than an absolute one.

But yeah, that's at most two decades out of the last thousand years or whatever. So on the whole as soon as the Russian people have got rid of one dictatorship, they seem to have been pretty damn eager to replace it with another one.

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