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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by thaumasiotes »

alkonaut wrote: post #50
cm2187 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And paypal this morning too [1] It does feel coordinated. I know corporate law is kind of irrelevant in a context of war, but it feels more than ever like a cartel. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-servi...

In this context when one actor pulls out, the eyes turn on the others who either pull out or will have to accept being seen as supporting the regime. The coordination doesn’t have to exist for it to look coordinated. No one wants to be seen as late to leave.

I remember reading an analysis of (I believe) WWI that said that by that point, the rulers of Europe had successfully completed the hard work of discouraging war among themselves through a long-term project of intermarriage. They were all related to each other and therefore mostly uninterested in going to war against each other.[1]

But at some point popular demand for war started to rise and the noble houses weren't able to stop it.

We're seeing something similar here.

[1] This can't be the whole story; European history is replete with brother-brother and father-son wars. But I think the idea is worth considering anyway.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by daxuak »

addandsubtract wrote: post #191
daxuak wrote: post #157

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People paying servers to selfhost are also fucked. This makes absolutely no sense since we all know the oligarchs etc will have oversea bankings and stay float. It's the average people who get punished, all for something they have no control over.

No control over? Not with that attitude, I guess.

Disclaimer I'm not Russian but watching the roll out of the war, I am again fascinated by westerner's imagination of that an inidividual could achieve in a oppressive regime. People literally get arrested by holding a blank paper as a one-man demonstration on the street. People lose source of income and housing semi-permanently because of speaking out anything against the propaganda. The secret police can force mothers to knee down and beg their children to not being vocal. Tell me what I can do without losing my and my family's fucking lives if you think there's a way out of all this.

I do not deny the possibility of revolution of any form, but there is tons of things one fears worse than death, even a violent one. I really hope you guys get the chances to do the right thing under these circumstances. The wall between daily norm and hell is thinner than a piece of paper.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by kayamon »

analyte123 wrote: post #134
colesantiago wrote: post #100

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Monero isn't really private or secure and was a subject to a 51% attack so this is a moot point.

Can you elaborate on what makes Monero not private or secure?

Any blockchain shorter than the market leader is subject to a 51% attack.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by 331c8c71 »

iguana_lawyer wrote: post #196
whiddershins wrote: post #122

I don’t understand why we are taking actions that by and large will hurt little people the most.

It probably has something to do with the genocide they’re committing.

Do you know what genocide means? It's war, it's bad but it's not genocide.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by xdennis »

331c8c71 wrote: post #153
chrsw wrote: post #140

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Why would Putin stop at Ukraine?

because he's not expanding russia. hes not letting ukraine to join nato. Check john mearsheimer for an understanding how putin thinks

> Check john mearsheimer

I've had enough of Russian propaganda.

> because he's not expanding russia. hes not letting ukraine to join nato.

Previously you were all saying we're hysterical and there will be no invasion. Russia has the same MO as cancer: expand as much as possible. It's well known that it wants access to our (Romania's) mountains. He's not going to stop at Ukraine. Putin has already revealed that we want's the Republic of Moldova.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by seemack »

User23 wrote: post #77
rootusrootus wrote: post #24

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Hasn't really been a problem for other countries to avoid this problem, so I'm not sure how worried I ought to be. Like so many things, I'll worry about trends when there is a trend.

It’s hard to remember as long ago as last month when peaceful Canadian protestors had their assets seized without due process. We already live in a world where so-called first world nationals have this happen to them. It’s not about countries or individuals, it’s about power. And the rulers of the west have demonstrated the power to completely destroy someone financially by flipping a few bits as well as the willingn…

The government invoked the emergencies act which gave them the ability to freeze bank accounts of people the suspected of supporting an ongoing illegal protest. This means that the due process changed from what it normally is to something that allowed the government to quickly de-escalate a protest that was anything but peaceful.

Due process was still followed even if we don't necessarily like what it was.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by notch656a »

marrone12 wrote: post #203
xdennis wrote: post #202

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It does when one is caused by the other.

Russian citizens did not cause this war...

Russian citizens aren't getting bombed. They are getting economic sanctions. Considering these citizens are paying taxes that fund the war, I think they're fair game for economic payback.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by postsantum »

331c8c71 wrote: post #216
postsantum wrote: post #170

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It doesn't work this way. For decades, media had been talking about how the collective West hates russian people and want Russia go down in flames. Now everybody sees it's true. I predict Putin's rating will be sky high in the upcoming months

can confirm and dont understand why this is downvoted

The thought that you can't stop the war by banning russian cats from competitions is unsettling, I guess

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by syshum »

youngNed wrote: post #54
cm2187 wrote: post #42

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And paypal this morning too [1] It does feel coordinated. I know corporate law is kind of irrelevant in a context of war, but it feels more than ever like a cartel. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-servi...

> It does feel coordinated This whole thread has been an eye opener for me, I had no idea so many people had so little idea of what 'economic sanctions' means. Yes, yes it does feel coordinated. Have you noticed it came after sanctions were announced as well??

while this action is clear based on the sanctions, MasterCard, Visa and Paypal have not done themselves any favors based on the past actions of acting cartel like in other situations which were not based on sanctions.

It is easy (for me anyway) to see how some people could consider their actions to be in the same vein of their previous attempts to regulate the speech and actions of private individuals they find politically disagreeable. MC and Paypal being the much bigger offenders of that...

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by pxtail »

331c8c71 wrote: post #104
qznc wrote: post #34

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They worked for years towards becoming a EU member. Putin wants to turn them back into a puppet state for "his sovjet union".

EU is irrelevant. They could be EU if they agree to neutrality and let go of crimea and donbass. EDIT: EU was explicitly mentioned as irrelevant by putins press-secretary in a recent press conference (he was asked about it).

(Un)fortunately there is absolutely no credibility anymore behind any messages released by putins govt, they proved multiple times already that they are saying one thing and doing another.
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