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Russia to punish ‘fake news’ about Ukraine war with 15 years’ jail

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Post by hunterb123 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #219
dev_by_day wrote: post #195

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The Hunter Biden Laptop story was openly censored, even when put forward by a journalist with the Post and Biden has admitted that laptop may have been his. https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/the-hunter-biden-laptop-is-con... https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/09/21/dou... Leftist bias at the intercept prevented Greenwald from publishing a story about it as well https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwal…

When a media agency internally decides not to publish something it might be biased, but that's generally not considered censorship. Censoring can be biased, but not all bias is censorship. Russia participates in censorship on a state level with its own state-run media agencies. These things are not equivalent. The Hunter Biden story is widely reported by numerous American media outlets.

The censorship was Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube blocking it all at once before the election. The media helped by downplaying it and going with the Russian disinformation/hack lie.

Playing semantics over whether omission of truth is bias vs. censorship doesn't make a strong argument.

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Post by dev_by_day »

noja wrote: post #206
ejb999 wrote: post #170

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>>How can you equate banning Maus with banning Joe Rogan? The only common thread between the two is the word "banning". Because free speech is free speech, whether you agree with what was said or not.

Free speech is not free speech. Shouting fire in a theater is not free speech because it causes panic then harm.

Shouting fire in a theater when there is no fire and expressing concern over the potentially dangerous side effects of a vaccine are different. The previous is an outright lie about a non-event while the later has some truth.

Its factually true that people have had severe adverse reactions and died from the vaccine. He interviewed genuine credentialed experts like Dr. Robert Malone on the potential dangers of the Covid vaccine.

I am in favor of the Covid vaccine and disagree with Joe but he's allowed to express his dissenting opinions.

Podcasts are not medical advise and should not be treated as such.

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Post by eric_cc »

pavlov wrote: post #9

It's good to remember that the previous American president also waged a war against every media outlet he didn't like by claiming they were "fake news." It's the same authoritarianism in different stages. And if you think nobody in America wants to jail journalists and media CEOs, go look at any forum with a substantial amount of Republicans talking freely.

This is bullshit. Most American news (left and right) is Entertainment and in that sense it IS actually quite fake. And that's to say nothing of the times MSM is outright lying. Trump calling out the fake news as fake was probably one of the best things he did with his time as president. At least some people woke up as a result. Before Trump, people would view publications like NYT and WaPo as fundamentally different than Fox News. Now, thankfully, many more people realize they are exactly the same. If anything, Fox News presents itself more honestly as news entertainment and NYT is more deceptive.

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Post by zthrowaway »

noja wrote: post #206
ejb999 wrote: post #170

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>>How can you equate banning Maus with banning Joe Rogan? The only common thread between the two is the word "banning". Because free speech is free speech, whether you agree with what was said or not.

Free speech is not free speech. Shouting fire in a theater is not free speech because it causes panic then harm.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

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Post by eric_cc »

electrondood wrote: post #32
akomtu wrote: post #31

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To be honest, the blue camp is different only in rhetoric: if the red wants control in the name of national security, the blue wants the same control in the name of grotesque moral rightnessess. Fake news is a good summary of our media today, it just applies to both camps.

Bullshit false equivalence. I notice that Democrats aren't forming white supremacist militias, plotting to kidnap state governors, attacking Congress specifically to overturn the results of a national election, etc.

dude just stop. Idiots on the left. Idiots on the right. Stop being a tool.. because honestly, only a brainwashed tool would truly believe the problem only exists with The OTHER group.

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Post by ch4s3 »

gre wrote: post #38
ch4s3 wrote: post #24

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I literally laughed out loud when I hit that line in Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn was brilliant.

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So I found a translation of that article and another article by the author. It seems like the gripe is that Solzhenitsyn wrote about some Bolsheviks and gulag camp administrators in a way that drew attention to their Jewish identity, and that leads some critics to believe he was in fact an anti-semite. Is that a fair reading?

I don't actually see any evidence that his portrayal of life in the Soviet Union was anything but accurate, at least from the perspectives available to him at the time. I'm sure there were a great many possible life experiences, especially for people born after the terror, but the terror too was part of the Soviet experience.

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Post by klyrs »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #165
ajford wrote: post #85

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That's a truck-load of bullshit. Texas Gov. Abbot is pushing an anti-LGBTQ+ agenda in the open. He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse. The Texas right-leaning lege just got through passing a bill that was designed to be hard to assail in the courts that hands out money for turning in anyone who assist someone in seekin…

In the Context of politics being preference: “ He and his pals are flat-out pushing anti-trans agendas that accuse parents of children seeking gender-affirming treatment of child abuse.” Isn’t this, by definition, a very debatable topic with pros and cons that have to be weighed. Where one comes down, I.e. their preference for policy on this, will be informed by their background and biases. E.g. it isn’t entirely obv…

> Isn’t this, by definition, a very debatable topic with pros and cons that have to be weighed.

Honestly, you're voicing for support of the person you're responding to, here. These aren't "non-issues" as GGP claimed.

But, puberty blockers, the medical treatment under fire, aren't non-reversible.

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Post by deanCommie »

dev_by_day wrote: post #142
LeoPanthera wrote: post #120

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> shutting down news media that they disagree with I suspect what you mean by this is "outlets claiming to report 'news' but actually spreading misinformation". That's quite different from "disagreement".

What would you call news outlets like MSNBC spreading lies about the Kyle Rittenhouse case? An honest mistake? Or calling the lab leak theory racist? Notice how this works? When a news source that is aligned with your political party gets it wrong "its ok" but when its a new source that is not aligned with your party its "spreading misinformation". There is no objective standard for misinformation so trying to say di…

When the Lab leak theory had absolutely no evidence for it, and was being purported days after the start of the pandemic, it was racist.

Later, the longer a root cause was not discovered, the more likely the theory became, and the less racist it became to speak about.

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Post by redisman »

snek_case wrote: post #61
asats wrote: post #3

Two out of the last three remaining somewhat independent media that were still operating in the country (already under major restrictions) were also shut down, TV rain just did their last transmission and walked out of the studio crying: https://youtu.be/e4an0MlF27k?t=11397 Twitter and facebook are being blocked. Youtube and group chats in telegram/signal/etc are the only things left right now. 7670 people have been…

Very similar to what China has done. Seems that it's unfortunately pretty effective. Control the information the people are fed and they control public opinion.

My hunch is that works fine with 10% GDP growth every year. Without it? To be seen.

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Post by prox »

LegitShady wrote: post #168
prox wrote: post #75

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I found this article very enlightening : https://www.csis.org/features/kremlin-playbook-3 From the center of strategic and international studies. It describes how the same ideology (white male christian) worldview is connected to Putin and Trump, and how the West is viewed as decadent through the moral lens of the fundamentalist churches in both the US and the Russian orthodox church.

white male christian is not an ideology. The first is a skin color, the second is a gender, the third is a religion. Pretending that you throw those three things together creates some coherent and common ideology is not logical thought

No, and maybe I could have worded that better. But that’s part of their identity and what they rally around. If you read the article you would see what I mean.

From the article “Here traditionalism and identity are fused together such that disrupting one threatens the other. Any demographic change (particularly immigration from Muslim-majority and non-White countries, exacerbated in the public perception by low birth rates) is viewed as a direct challenge to identity and tradition.”

So maybe the better word is “strategic conversatism” as per the article.

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