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Post by josephcsible »

BizarroLand wrote: post #133
ipaddr wrote: post #104

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There are many people of different colours at the protests. Do you paint them as nazi because someone had a flag? I saw a flag from Norway, is Norway suddenly behind this?

If you're a member of a group and that group pulls out a Nazi flag, do you leave the group or do you expect random passers-by to think for a moment that maybe you aren't a Nazi sympathizer? "Oh, everyone knows ipaddr! He hangs out with a bunch of Nazis that protest to entrench "born white" as the de facto ruling class of the country, kill all the gays and trans people, and to have two separate sets of laws, one that…

> If you're a member of a group and that group pulls out a Nazi flag, do you leave the group or do you expect random passers-by to think for a moment that maybe you aren't a Nazi sympathizer?

Does this mean that you should be able to immediately end any protest you don't like just by going to it and then pulling out a Nazi flag when you get there?

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Post by vmception »

nxmnxm99 wrote: post #205
vmception wrote: post #42

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yes, an exchange would hold similar power if fiat was desired at all, but it wouldn't prevent the crowdfunding from taking place. and because the crowdfund would still occur, the recipient can find an exchange or trade desk that would do the trade for fiat. right now, fiat crowdfunding sites are acting as the platform and exchange while being beholden to a payment processor behind the scenes. in the crypto model, the…

So what you mean is, so long as all of the truckers supporters had crypto, they could transfer that crypto to the truckers. Could governments hypothetically not block those transfers/confiscate the wallets? Again, speaking out of ignorance so forgive the dumb question.

Correct

More specifically there are some best practices that would prevent anyone, including a determined state sponsored adversary, from being able to seize or block this. Without the best practices there are some theoretical capabilities.

In any case, an organization like go fund me could not bow to corporate policy, public pressure, or a state backchannel, to prevent this.

So with or without due process, the people can still form capital and act.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #84
mig39 wrote: post #71

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>"But yeah, the last thing you should do to someone with a swastika flag is call them a Nazi. It's a cheap shot." What you're actually doing is taking the evidence that unidentified individuals with a Nazi flag showed up at a demonstration involving thousands of people and ascribing that as representative of the entire movement. That's the cheap shot. There is no way for any protest movement to prevent some dudes fro…

I once saw a LaRouche protest describe the same way. The LaRouchies are crazy, but they're not Nazis - What they'd done was Photoshop a picture of Obama with a picture of Hitler.

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Post by tsol »

ipaddr wrote: post #155
BizarroLand wrote: post #135

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Yeah, but general damage to the environment is better than destroying a specific group of people's homeland. Oil pipelines leak frequently. An oil leak in some tribal lands could poison the water and make the tribal lands unlivable for years. Why is that less of a concern than the environment as a whole? It's no more right to justify that than it would be to justify putting all of the country's debt on a single perso…

It adds a new risk that a pipeline could become damaged which could leak into the environment which could hurt land owned by one Indian tribe. So we bring in huge ships with oil from the middle east that often run into trouble and spill into the ocean. The money we send allows dictators to force millions into slavery and prevents women from having basic human rights. There are many reasons why a pipeline was preferab…

I mean do we really think the pipeline was built for environmental reasons? Since when do oil companies make decisions to maximize environmental- friendliness?

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Post by mikeyouse »

hunterb123 wrote: post #219
mikeyouse wrote: post #139

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99% of the Gadsden flags in my area are flying alongside confederate flags — likewise most of them in the protest pics I’ve seen. I know the flag’s history predates the Civil War and that it once upon a time was devoid of the current undertones, but alas, it’s (IMO) irredeemably tainted.

Counter anecdote. I've never seen a Gadsden flag flown by a confederate flag. It's mainly flown by libertarians and others who respect privacy and freedom. Either way, confederate flags aren't normally flown in racist intent. Most people fly them to represent their heritage. The Dixie line, Outlaw country, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see a libertarian from deep Georgia fly both and not be racist in the slight. I…

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Post by hunterb123 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #226
hunterb123 wrote: post #219

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Counter anecdote. I've never seen a Gadsden flag flown by a confederate flag. It's mainly flown by libertarians and others who respect privacy and freedom. Either way, confederate flags aren't normally flown in racist intent. Most people fly them to represent their heritage. The Dixie line, Outlaw country, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see a libertarian from deep Georgia fly both and not be racist in the slight. I…

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Again, that's your perception of the world which is deluded by your ignorance of others.

Also, you ignored the rest of my post to further live in your delusion of a racist enemy to play hero against.

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Post by ipaddr »

BizarroLand wrote: post #174
ipaddr wrote: post #153

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I wouldn't assume someone carrying a Nazi flag means all of those things. I wouldn't assume everyone was gay or supported gay rights if someone held a rainbow flag. I might assume the person holding the flag has support for the flag but it's not necessarily true. If the Nazi flag had Justin Trudeau's face on it I would instantly get the message that Trudeau is a Nazi not support for a group from a foreign country in…

Lot of people working in overdrive to excuse displays of Nazi symbolism these days. Never would have thought I would see it on y-combinator but here we are.

A nazi flag with Justin Trudeau as the logo is very different message to an actual flag with different intent.

A nazi flag is a taboo topic with certain imagery attached. These protesters think Justin Trudeau has been acting like a nazi would.

You may agree or not but don't fail to understand the message.

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Post by ipaddr »

tsol wrote: post #225
ipaddr wrote: post #155

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It adds a new risk that a pipeline could become damaged which could leak into the environment which could hurt land owned by one Indian tribe. So we bring in huge ships with oil from the middle east that often run into trouble and spill into the ocean. The money we send allows dictators to force millions into slavery and prevents women from having basic human rights. There are many reasons why a pipeline was preferab…

I mean do we really think the pipeline was built for environmental reasons? Since when do oil companies make decisions to maximize environmental- friendliness?

The environmental framework would be part of the approval process with the governments.

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Post by Gigachad »

bawolff wrote: post #206
colpabar wrote: post #110

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What gets me is the way that people will see a picture of a swastika and immediately brand everyone involved as a racist, but then turn around and say that any wrongdoing that happened during a protest for a cause they do agree with was just a couple of bad apples who had nothing to do with the movement. Does that really only happen on one side?

Perhaps i missed it, but how many other protests in canada involve defiling grave sites, stealing food from the homeless, etc. I can certainly agree that humans tend to demonize the sins of the other while turning a blind eye to their own side's, but is that really what is happening here? To me it seems like this protest is of a different type.

The BLM protests ended up in a lot worse. A few murders, a LOT of property damage, and a whole lot more. And yet they were largely supported by the media despite the bad apples.
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