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I worked as a software developer in one company in Brazil and in three American companies. The skill gap was non-existent. I could see the same level of talent in both places.

What kind of companies in Brazil though? I feel like the level of brazilian engineers outside high growth tech companies is very low. Most of them will literally fail "Fizz-Buzz" style coding tests. Good devs are either making a very good salary in Brazil (30-50k USD) or 2-3X that working remotely for an American company

If I got your comment right, I agree that Brazilian devs that are not good devs that are paid well are not good devs.

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My success with outsourcing some work to Latin America has been much, much, much more successful than outsourcing to India and other places in Asia for the following reasons: 1. As the article points out, being in the same/similar timezones is huge. With so many folks working remotely anyway, it's much easier to integrate these developers as part of the team. They join standups, we can have easy back-and-forths in Sl…

The difference between IST and any US hours is my current pain. I have to get up at 5am (and sometimes even 4am) for a meeting that still requires the developers in India to stay late. I get maybe 2 hours of overlap, and everything else has to happen via async email. In the past, we worked with HP's consulting arm, and they moved us to their Costa Rica workforce because time zones matched up better. I think both side…

Having to support every timezone is my biggest pain. Occasionally Europe, occasionally India, occasionally china, occasionally eastern US.

Multiple meetings with random times between 0Z and 24Z in the same day makes it hard to plan on when to sleep.

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I am surprised that it took so long to realize that hiring people in the same time zone is better for productivity. I am saying it as someone who spent N years working for an American company from Moscow (~11 hours difference) and had to sleep in the office frequently to get at least some things done (like, code reviews approved by the team members in the main office).

Language/education/infrastructure barrier in Latin America, for some countries at least. Situation is improving as of late but a large skill gap both in terms of education and foreign lang skills (English). Hiring in India was painful for some reasons, but everyone spoke English and education was top level due to intense competition. Most of Latin America is only roughly overlapping with US timezones. The western mos…

Language/education/infrastructure are a lot easier to change that timezone, at least

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #164

My success with outsourcing some work to Latin America has been much, much, much more successful than outsourcing to India and other places in Asia for the following reasons: 1. As the article points out, being in the same/similar timezones is huge. With so many folks working remotely anyway, it's much easier to integrate these developers as part of the team. They join standups, we can have easy back-and-forths in Sl…

I tend to agree with you having worked with IBM's global consulting services and their workforce in both India and Brazil many moons ago. While in theory, it may sound like you could have around the clock hands-on-keyboard time by having folks in India, it's more advantageous to have people work in similar time zone if it is joint development work. I do have to say, when there are important soccer matches though, dev…

> I do have to say, when there are important soccer matches though, developers in Brail were... a bit harder to reach. no joke. lol.

This is absolutely true during a World Cup

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #188

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I think it comes from the cultural influence of Spain, not Catholicism. I don't see it in Ireland or Switzerland, and not much in France, though they all have large Catholic populations. More generally, I think it comes from the cultural influence of feudalism. Catholicism teaches that wrath, covetousness, and envy are mortal sins, and strongly endorses property rights. Rallying people to confiscate their neighbor's…

Catholicism endorses a peculiar idea of social justice founded on commutative justice , viz. paying the pre-determined "just" or "fair" price as opposed to whatever most efficient price might be set by the market - far more strongly than it might endorse property rights. Property rights are really only acknowledged to the extent that they might tend to preserve a rigid, authoritarian social order. There is, by and la…

> Catholicism endorses a peculiar idea of social justice founded on commutative justice, viz. paying the pre-determined "just" or "fair" price as opposed to whatever most efficient price might be set by the market - far more strongly than it might endorse property rights. Property rights are really only acknowledged to the extent that they might tend to preserve a rigid, authoritarian social order.

As a Catholic, this is news to me. Is this some peculiarity of Latin American Catholics? I'm not seeing anything supporting this view in what appears to be the relevant portion of the Catechism[1]. Sure, it says that wages should support human dignity, but that’s hardly price-fixing.

[1] https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P8D.HTM

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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My success with outsourcing some work to Latin America has been much, much, much more successful than outsourcing to India and other places in Asia for the following reasons: 1. As the article points out, being in the same/similar timezones is huge. With so many folks working remotely anyway, it's much easier to integrate these developers as part of the team. They join standups, we can have easy back-and-forths in Sl…

while I agree with what you are saying, Gladwell's example may not be very good http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2013/07/culturalism-gladwell-...

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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South American here, I interviewed with a lot of local companies out of school. Mind you the highest offer I saw was $1000/month for mid level, also for some reason a lot of interviewers ghosted me (maybe I was not upto their standards of entry level or I failed the tests), so I was feeling like a failure after spending like 2 months job hunting, then it hit me that I could apply to US companies, One week and one int…

Looks like you’re in Venezuela. How do you get paid by Americans?

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #81

> ” If someone is very money-driven, there’s nothing we can do.” I am very far from “very money-driven”. I worked for a long time in the non-profit sector that would pay much less than mostly any of my other careers options. Then I changed to software development. I work for an American company from Brazil. I earn 5 times more (after taxes) that what I would likely earn in a local well-paying company for my level of…

Am Brazilian, used to work in a very big, well-paying company. It's astounding the amount of amazing talent that left the company during the 2 years I worked there (myself included [not that I'm amazing talent, I just got lucky]). There's no way Brazilian companies can keep up with the talent evasion going on in tech right now, specially because of the exchange rate of USD x BRL.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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post #95

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This is the sweet spot that products like LeetCode or BinarySearch could be used to solve - people who have the academic background, and should know how to code if they're coming out of a good program, but don't have a portfolio of work to show or a catalogue of experience to draw examples and answers from for a typical interview. And all the DSA stuff that is irrelevant for 90% of dev jobs 90% of the time is still f…

I have about a decade of real professional coding experience. Not going to say I'm excellent, or near the caliber of developer FAANG are looking for, but I can write code. I can count on one finger the number of interviews I've got in the past couple years. Zilch. There is a massive disconnect from what you hear on the news, and the reality, where somebody like me is a pariah and the deafening silence of _any_ intere…

You either have a location problem or more likely a CV/keyword problem.

If you're still breathing and have more than 2-3 years of dev experience you should at least be contacted.

Re: U.S. companies are hiring Latin America’s tech talent

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My success with outsourcing some work to Latin America has been much, much, much more successful than outsourcing to India and other places in Asia for the following reasons: 1. As the article points out, being in the same/similar timezones is huge. With so many folks working remotely anyway, it's much easier to integrate these developers as part of the team. They join standups, we can have easy back-and-forths in Sl…

Time zones don't matter as much s youd think. Most of my oversees vendors are working the equivalent of 2nd and 3rd shifts and prefer not to have earlier meetings as they aren't working yet. It surprised me too.
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