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Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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That's actually surprisingly cunning. Run a very in depth training program on how "not" to do antitrust. Secretly, it's just a training course in antitrust. Gotta respect the level of commitment to evil.

every large company does it. I've done those courses at Microsoft, Facebook and Google. It's just run of the mill corporate training.

Every one of those companies is or has been under antitrust scrutiny.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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$2.5 million is just over a half hour (33.6 min) of net sales reported on Amazon's 2020 annual report, or put another way, 0.0006% of net sales. I don't understand why the WA state attorney general considers that any sort of punishment. I'm not anti-Amazon and don't even understand the alleged bad behavior. My point is that if governments want any corporation to behave, then the punishment has to be enough to deter f…

Because the 2.5 million isn't a punishment. It's to "support the AG's anti-trust enforcement which does not receive general fund support". Did you even read the link?

The punishment is that they can no longer have this program.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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Why are regulators incapable of assessing meaningful punitive damages? 2.5 million is peanuts to Amazon.

From the article, the fee is to support the AG enforcement, it's not meant as a meaningful punitive damage.

> In addition, Amazon will pay $2.25 million to the Attorney General’s Office, which will be used to support the Attorney General’s antitrust enforcement, which does not receive general fund support.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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duh, what do you think training is for?

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN? You've done it a lot, unfortunately. We ban accounts that do that, because we're trying for a different quality of discussion here. I don't want to ban you, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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It takes a minute, they often have the best price, and vetting a new vendor -- with their own unknown challenges -- is non-trivial.

B&H and Adorama are increasingly my go-tos for anything with microchips. They've both branched out from photography to A/V gear to tech goods generally.

B&H might be closed half the year for holidays, but I never worry they'll send a fake.

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That sounds like pretty normal branding. I can get a powered hub for $20 from BUNCHALETTERZ who will disappear without a trace next quarter, or $35 from Anker that I’m pretty sure won’t burn down my apartment.

Yeah, but normally your competitor doesn't get to choose the price of YOUR widget.

Is that true? This sounds like typical white label type stuff that you'd see at the grocery store. Safeway sells Safeway brand X and also name brand X, and presumably chooses the prices for both.

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One thing everyone is getting hung up on is the fact that Amazon isn't wholesaling the dongle. The contract isn't a wholesale deal, meaning if your widget doesn't sell, it's sitting on your balance sheet, not on Amazon's balance sheet. It would be like if Costco instead of buying 1000 legos, just stocked legos in it's warehouse, then paid Lego company everytime a single unit sold. Then they figured out how to make their own legos through a different supplier, they fixed the original Lego price $5 more expensive then the store brand legos. Now Legos sell for $30 a box and Kirkland Legos sell for $25 a box, same exact product, just a few bucks cheaper. Oh and lego couldn't drop the price from 30 to 20 to compete....

That's what Amazon has done. Price fixing and control of the competitors inventory. Damn bastards.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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I'm extra confused, as I'd interpreted "Ships from and sold by Amazon" as "Amazon supplied the goods and will vouch for their validity", whereas "Sold by ISL" would have meant that ISL was on the ultimate hook should the goods prove to be counterfeit. Learn something new (and important) every day.

Sold by Amazon and Fulfilled by Amazon seem to come out of the same box at the warehouse. Unfortunately if you really need genuine products you simply cannot buy things off Amazon anymore.

I’ve been bitten by so much garbage bought on Amazon, including clear counterfeits that I had to charge back on the credit card, that we have a rule in our house to never ever buy anything in that site even if it’s the only site offering it.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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This is standard procedure among any large company in a market. Ideally, antitrust should be proven by actions and not by “see! Your employees say you dominate the market! Take that!”

This. I’m not qualified to prosecute antitrust law; I’m not even a lawyer. How is it that I can throw the company under the bus just by misusing terms of art that I vaguely understand?

> How is it that I can throw the company under the bus just by misusing terms of art that I vaguely understand?

You cannot. As you've seen the frequency of antitrust judgements is very low, you're really unlikely to harm your company by saying anything. Don't worry about companies being “thrown under the bus”, their are fine, thank you.

Re: Washington state shuts down Amazon price-fixing program nationwide

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In case others were as confused as i was about this "While they’re often confused, Sold by Amazon and Fulfilled by Amazon are two different things. With SBA, Amazon prices your products and owns any transactions that take place. When an item sells, they pass the proceeds on to you for allowing them to sell your product. With FBA, you price your products and own the transactions. It is a service where Amazon handles t…

Good to know

"Sold by Amazon" should have only been called that if Amazon bought the items and had it in their warehouse. But their business "creativity" knows no bounds.

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