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I really expected that we'd see a change in my lifetime, that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant, with there being some other role for patient interaction, wet work, and data entry (perhaps just nurses). My mom worked for a GP for about 20 years, and it seemed to me that most of what made that guy a doctor was bedside manner + being able to remember a lot of things. But GPs often ma…

AI cannot replace doctors. It can help doctors a lot but not replace.

Of course AI could replace doctors. Some people will always prefer the bedside manner a person provides, but many others won't care, and AI will eventually do a good job at imitating a good doctor's bedside manner.

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

> They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, I know they bought Red Hat but I didn't hear that they gutted it. Can you expand on that?

They haven't. I have no doubt that IBM has historically mishandled a great many acquisitions but thus far I haven't seen any changes that feel pushed by IBM.

Source: I work at Red Hat.

It's a bit of a strange comment considering it blames IBM for Lenovo's management of the Thinkpad line and a commercial that they later realized (but still haven't corrected themselves) was actually an HPE commercial [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30047062

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

Although small in comparison, they also bought weather underground for a cool billion or so and completely ran it into the ground.

I used to use it as my sole source until the site became so slow that I couldnt handle it anymore.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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>that GPs in particular would be replaced by a lower-cost Watson descendant It is happening. They are called physician assistants and nurse practitioners, "supervised" by a doctor. I assume going forward, they will take more and more of the usual pink eye/ear infection/flu and other common work that does not require 6 to 8 years of post bachelor education.

Yep. The midlevels are supported by automatic protocols in Epic (e.g. sepsis, DKA -> put these dozens of orders in with 5 clicks) that physicians decide on and approve. They also rely more heavily on imaging instead of a physical exam and history. When unsure, they can consult a physician, even a specialist. It’s a very polarizing topic in medicine that patients generally aren’t privy to. Especially for resident phys…

I'm having a hard time understanding why they would be bitter. Residency is temporary and a part of the training process. Once completed, doctors will make 2x-3x+ compared to midlevels for the rest of their careers.

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What failed/loss-making products is Google using to promote YouTube?

you think YouTube is profitable?

Yes, I think youtube is making billions of dollars a year. Youtube's revenue was $25 billion last year. It's a mature product. You don't think it's making money?

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so I worked at IBM cloud, and can confirm this. They bought a cloud service, that by itself, and if left alone would been great. Soft(....something...) was the company... then IBM came and changed everything. I remember the SVP / President of ibm cloud showing up... talking 3 hours about how her son is so great and that we should 'follow' his example... after hour 3, man goes and interrupts and asks a question that w…

I’ve sat in an all hands like that before. Literally 50k$ an hour being wasted listening to some guy we’ll only ever see once talk about his sons 18th birthday. Weird experience.

It's about power, just like mandating going back to the office.

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Prediction markets are one of those things that cryptocurrencies are good for.

Why?

I'll give a different answer, which is that a blockchain-based prediction market can be used as an oracle for other blockchain-based contracts. So there can be both a final answer and a mark to market for the contract which should approximate reality in some way. However, being unregulated, there's always the possibility of cornering the prediction market and causing the derivative contracts to end with unreality. So you may need another kind of oracle to finalize the market price of the prediction market.

Probably could be accomplished without crypto, but it can also be accomplished on some blockchains with minimal additional investment.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

> I do not understand how IBM stays in business.

I don't think they do either, judging by my experience working there as an upper-level-support technician 15 years ago.

It seemed like the organization was book-ended with decent brains: engineers and front-line managers were decent to fantastic, and the upper-management seemed to be decent at the time. However, both ends seemed to be choking to death on a hundred layers of middle management. 7 years after Office Space was released and I actually had three(3) managers. Three! I had a technical manager with whom I had bi-weekly meetings where we talked about nothing, a non-technical manager with whom I had monthly meetings where we talked about nothing, and the head of my department who was the only one who meaningfully managed me in any way. (And he was absolutely fantastic.)

For example— they made some big announcements about their impending migration from windows to linux for everybody from admin assistants to sales to developers. Exciting! I loved that linux was getting more professional credibility, and my product ran on Solaris, so having a local UNIX environment would reduce some of the cognitive load for networking, scripting, etc. etc. There was no internal mandate to start the migration yet, but I was too eager to wait. I found the official image on the intranet and started writing documentation for my coworkers. It was pretty smooth! The complex GUI apps like the Lotus suite worked great! Well, as great as they did on windows, anyway. The installer was quite polished! I was excited!

I had one more thing to install— the ancient, internal defect and ticket tracking clients used by every technical worker, product designer, all of their managers, etc. Neither the intranet page for the clients nor the Linux image docs had any info. Hours later, I found a months-old internal note EoLing the Linux port, directing people to use the obtuse CLI instead. No problem— we're all technical people here, right? Problem. The API used by the GUI client supported necessary functionality the CLI didn't. That alone rendered the Linux initiative dead-in-the-water for most technical workers who'd benefit most.

I'm sure the manager who canned the Linux client was solving a very real problem, but a) a decision directly affecting company-wide strategy getting lost in the ether, and b) nobody checking to see if these big overtures were even basically feasible, embodies their organizational shortcomings. (I might have gotten some of the details wrong— it was a long time ago— but you get the gist.)

That's almost certainly why they're getting sued for purportedly blatant age discrimination, too. Managers in the middle with too much sway to have that little top-level visibility solving their problems using means that end up screwing lots of people.

That they style themselves as a technology-focused business consulting company rather than just a tech company is pretty rich.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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I do not understand how IBM stays in business. As far as I’m concerned the only cool engineering thing IBM does anymore is POWER, which has a sort of unique memory architecture but otherwise is well behind everyone else. What else did they do in my lifetime? They took a profitable RedHat and gutted it, they took the best Laptop line and sold it to Lenovo and almost ruined it, they tried to be a front runner in ML but…

IBM has acceptable tape systems. Would be nice if they did not keep changing tape buffer sizes/times and other conditions without properly advertising the changes, but LTO is bad at scale so they have that going for them.
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