Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub • Hacker News Board

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by asddubs » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 12:18 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #211

asddubs wrote: post #35

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I mean, I'm a long time linux user and think windows has been steadily getting worse too, but in reference to your linked comment complaining about "inclusively designed" being a meaningless buzzword - I was confused what it meant too, but reading the actual article the full sentence is: >We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows, built with and for people with disabilities. so t…

It is a meaningless buzzword, and has taken on an almost doublespeak connotation. Remember when Windows let you adjust the sizes, colours, and fonts of every single UI element? Windows 3.x had that. They removed that 3 versions back (Win8). Then they removed some more in Windows 10, and in Windows 11, even stopped you from moving the taskbar to a different edge of the screen; and then, they have the gall to say it's…

Well, I can't comment on their effectiveness in having made the operating system more accessible since I haven't (properly) used it in a decade and a half and I'm not disabled, I'm just saying the phrase does have meaning, and relevance to usability, as they used it. Whether their description is accurate is another question

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by busymom0 » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 1:43 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #151

busymom0 wrote: post #34

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Anything which gets responses of empty platitudes usually means they aren’t listening. I am a small developer who makes apps and puts them on the App Store and play store (Hacker news client HACK for example). I often get emails from users on how to add a feature or fix a bug etc. I email them and instead of just saying “thanks for your feedback”, I address the real problem/feature. Example- few days ago someone aske…

Founder of Orion Browser here. Thanks for adding the support. Please email me (info in profile) if you need to test the integration to skip the waitlist. Btw I am in the same basket as you - not only reacting on every piece of user feedback, but actively seeking it, like in this case. (using excellent f5bot.com). It may not be infinetely scalable but will do it for as long as I can.

Thanks for responding! Just sent an email.

Btw, question on this search engine of yours.

http://teclis.com

It says "Entire hardware stack used to run Teclis costs about $200/month."

Would you mind sharing what hardware stack you use?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by jodrellblank » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 3:04 AM UTC

s-lambert wrote: post #86

premun wrote: post #71

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You can, but there is just one icon to represent the group of windows of that given app. It's visually hard to tell when there's more than one and impossible to tell how many (there is a little border suggesting there's more). But it gets worse. If you have only 1 window with some app open (browser, terminal..), and this window has two tabs inside, clicking on the taskbar icon representing this window won't bring the…

This sounds similar to the behaviour of Internet Explorer on Windows 10 (which always felt weird). If you have two tabs open in IE, they appear as two separate windows when clicking the icon in the taskbar. Edge behaves as expected where two tabs -> one window -> one click but it seems like they just regressed as a whole for Windows 11.

Edge on Windows 10 shows up once per window in the taskbar, but once per tab in the Alt-Tab switcher.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by suction » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 8:42 AM UTC

thombles wrote: post #11

suction wrote: post #5

Feedback Hub indeed seems to be useless - because it is designed to act as a sink hole. Yet the topic the author of this article and apparently hundreds of others are describing as a show-stopping miss of Windows 11: The ability to see open documents ungrouped on the task bar. That's not a "bug" which needs to be addressed directly by developers. And really? That alone is a reason to go through a harrowing downgrade…

(author here) Each "button" on the taskbar shows as a label the name of the document. This is the key differentiator that makes W10- so convenient - they don't look the same because they have text showing exactly what you're getting!

Strange, on the PC I sometimes use, there are only icons, no text. I have to hover of each one to see the name, but it already breaks down for long names.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by XCabbage » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 1:47 PM UTC

luckman212 wrote: post #80

XCabbage wrote: post #63

> somebody at Microsoft edited a critical comment that I made earlier this week to simply read “hello there”, still under my name Moderators on web forums everywhere need to learn that this kind of editing, when done without a publicly visible indication that the post was edited against the nominal author's will, is unacceptable. I've gotten into this argument on Stack Exchange in the past (although fortunately on St…

Is that StackOverflow policy officially in writing somewhere? I had one of my answers edited by a mod not too long ago without any warning. Wasn't too happy about it.

Editing of answers is fine - by anybody, not just mods. That's because there's a clearly shown "edited" section displayed at the bottom of the answer, along with the editor's name, right next to the "answered" section showing the original author's name, indicating to anyone who reads the answer that it's a jointly-authored post that isn't entirely the original author's work. You can also look at the revision history to see exactly who wrote what. There's no false attribution there.

Comments don't have this history or indication of being edited by a third party, though, which is why only moderators have the power to edit them and most such edits are considered unacceptable and banned by policy.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by Abishek_Muthian » Mon, Jan 17, 2022, 7:02 PM UTC

zaat wrote: post #201

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #145

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Really? FOSS software very often has the same problems in this regard that Microsoft does. Almost every time I have an issue with something I will find it already in their bug tracker, several years old, at best ignored and at worst closed by the stale bot. In my estimation it is roughly the same as it is with Microsoft: if it doesn't directly affect a developer's workflow it will not be fixed and they're annoyed you…

That's depends on the specific software and maintainer. I see stuff in the GNOME tracker that boil my blood, I become angry even when now, thinking about it. On the other hand, I had filled bug regarding some encryption functionality and was given useful and respectful comments that helped me with the non-bug but user error issue. I also reported on some power management feature I was missing and got it implemented i…

> I see stuff in the GNOME tracker that boil my blood, I become angry even when now, thinking about it.

Here's one affecting me recently, When the app on another workspace is closed and the workspace is switched, it crashes GNOME shell. I found that there have been several bug reports raised regarding issue[1].

The oldest related bug report was opened in upstream Ubuntu launchpad a year ago. Granted this is relatively small period compared to some other bugs.

Yet this bug affects me regularly(I guess it has to do with trackpad) and no workspace until it can be fixed. So I'm planning to create a debugging setup to contribute towards resolving this issue.

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/-/issues/4801

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by thaumasiotes » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 6:31 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #211

asddubs wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I'm a long time linux user and think windows has been steadily getting worse too, but in reference to your linked comment complaining about "inclusively designed" being a meaningless buzzword - I was confused what it meant too, but reading the actual article the full sentence is: >We’re proud that Windows 11 is the most inclusively designed version of Windows, built with and for people with disabilities. so t…

It is a meaningless buzzword, and has taken on an almost doublespeak connotation. Remember when Windows let you adjust the sizes, colours, and fonts of every single UI element? Windows 3.x had that. They removed that 3 versions back (Win8). Then they removed some more in Windows 10, and in Windows 11, even stopped you from moving the taskbar to a different edge of the screen; and then, they have the gall to say it's…

> They removed that 3 versions back (Win8).

With Windows 11 still in the future, isn't Win8 just one version back?

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by niuzeta » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 10:58 AM UTC

rishav_sharan wrote: post #193

phillipcarter wrote: post #150

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> Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. What you're describing does not comport with my experience there. Personally, I ensured that every issue filed on GitHub was triaged (read, replied if necessary, de-duped if necessary, labeled appropriately, assigned a severity/priority) and that all feedback items from the Visual Studio feedback system that applied t…

This is my experience as well. I am a PM in Edge team and we take user feedback in our app extremely seriously. There are entire teams which parse the user feedback and add bugs for them. All top feedback is expected to be fixed under a specific SLA and these metrics are often tracked at leadership level. In fact, for a lot of feature teams fixing the top user feedback issues is often part of their OKRs. So yeah, I d…

As someone _making_ those user feedbacks as an employee of MSFT, I've never felt heard nor taken seriously. Apathy from users is unfortunately earned by experiences. I'm glad your experiences have been better, and don't mean to generalize my experiences. I am however providing another datapoint.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by pantalaimon » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

rishav_sharan wrote: post #193

phillipcarter wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. What you're describing does not comport with my experience there. Personally, I ensured that every issue filed on GitHub was triaged (read, replied if necessary, de-duped if necessary, labeled appropriately, assigned a severity/priority) and that all feedback items from the Visual Studio feedback system that applied t…

This is my experience as well. I am a PM in Edge team and we take user feedback in our app extremely seriously. There are entire teams which parse the user feedback and add bugs for them. All top feedback is expected to be fixed under a specific SLA and these metrics are often tracked at leadership level. In fact, for a lot of feature teams fixing the top user feedback issues is often part of their OKRs. So yeah, I d…

I guess the difference is that Microsoft actually has to compete for people to use Edge, whereas other products people are just forced to use by their employer like that dumpster fire that is Teams.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by dormento » Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 9:35 PM UTC

Kudos wrote: post #54

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #47

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Whenever a game I play is released on the Nintendo Switch, I am a little bit happier (eg Diablo 3, Tetris Effect). There’s honestly nothing keeping me in Windows except for video games (which I have less and less time for each year). I’m sort of looking forward to the day I won’t need to play video games on Windows and just be happy with a MacBook and a Linux workstation.

You might be interested in a Valve Steamdeck, it's a Switch form factor Linux gaming device. https://www.steamdeck.com/

Plus you can play on Steam on GNU/Linux so you're not restricted to Windows. It's pretty much the same runtime that's gonna land on the Steam Deck. I play some pretty demanding games and it runs flawless. While technically it does not require discrete graphics hardware, in practice it does, but its been smooth sailing with my somewhat old NVIDIA GTX1060 GPU.