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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by maxerickson »

baskethead wrote: post #207
maxerickson wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no evidence that vaccination is hampering immune response. Among those infected with Omicron, hospitalization and intensive care rates are much higher in unvaccinated...

“There’s no evidence” is the official weasel words of the pandemic. https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-phrase-no-evidence...

Fortunately for my comment above, I wrote it with a second paragraph characterizing available data, data that contradicts the claim about the vaccines hampering immune response.

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Post by randomdata »

kolanos wrote: post #8

> The department said if an employee doesn’t report to work or is suspended or terminated for refusing to comply with a vaccine mandate, the employer should indicate that they quit, took a leave of absence or were dismissed – potentially disqualifying them from collecting EI. Why isn't this fraud?

EI has always disqualified those who were dismissed for misconduct. This just clarifies that refusing to be vaccinated is considered misconduct.

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Post by casuaobserv »

moh_maya wrote: post #145
theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

So I don’t think we are anywhere close to what you are suggesting. But if it comes down to it, I’m actually completely ok with such an approach. How is this any different than mandating the small pox vaccine, or the polio vaccine? The vaccine dramatically lowers the probability of a severe infection; reduces the burden on healthcare systems - which in, in many countries apart from the US (for instance, Canada) is a p…

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Post by peteradio »

simonh wrote: post #184
crisdux wrote: post #153

Lots of people in this thread are arguing the "do the vaccines reduce spread thing" as justification for or against this policy. I don't think that even matters. These vaccines have risks that are not being opening discussed. There is an unprecedented systematic campaign of censorship, deception and propaganda aimed at people who question anything about these vaccines. Vaccine injuries are real. The performance of th…

There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

> That is not the same thing as banning all public debate.

It is throwing water on discussion at critical times simultaneous to strong government intervention which resets the discussion to the new overton window. You don't need to ban public debate you just play talk to the hand and call anyone who disagrees with you probably racist and or russian dissonance.

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Post by jquery »

throwaway55421 wrote: post #179
scrollaway wrote: post #4

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> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

Moving from 100% infected to 100% infected is not a reduction. At some point, there is no realistic difference between R=10 and R=7. Everyone is getting this. Some of us have known that since March 2020. If your theory includes "avoid being infected with coronavirus" and you live in a democratic country it is a flawed theory. Only full home isolation or hazmat suit rituals will suffice.

Overwhelmed ICUs and hospitals beg to differ that reducing transmission rate is useless. Reducing virulence is absolutely worthwhile even if eventually everyone will get infected at some point.

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Post by bmeski »

mwattsun wrote: post #212
bmeski wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mandated COVID-19 vaccination of individuals with the current EUA approved vaccines. The devil is in the details. The EUA designation was pushed through because there was no other, "obvious" treatment (despite proven efficacy of a combination of prophylactic treatments). They are testing this thing on us. Even if it works I do not consent to be tested on.

Where do you derive your right to consent or not? I could say I have the right to not have my body put in jail, but I have no basis for that.

Item 1 of the Nuremberg Code.

"The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment."

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Post by micromacrofoot »

crisdux wrote: post #33
micromacrofoot wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vaccines reduce transmission and severity, this virus has killed over 5 million people in 2 years

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you’re continuing to ignore “more contagious variants”

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Post by kstenerud »

guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

Edit: Whoops, Privacy Badger had deleted the embedded video. Check that if you're not seeing it.

OK, so he said that we all know people who are hesitant to get the vaccine and we'll be considerate of them, but there is also a small group that is unequivocally opposed to the vaccine (who don't believe in science, who are often racist, mysoginist etc). About them we have to make a choice: Do we tolerate them, or do we say look, most people are vaccinated, we want to go back to the things we like doing, and these people are blocking us.

So yeah, throwing in the racist and mysoginist thing was in poor taste. Hardly Watergate material, though.

Edit 2: Whoops, deleted the video link, but it's already in another comment. https://westernstandardonline.com/2021/12/trudeau-calls-the-...

Edit 3: I had originally said there was no video to look at. Please don't downvote the respondent.

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