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Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by nunez »

mellavora wrote: post #182
542458 wrote: post #176

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Anecdotally (as a counterpoint), we also went with teams, and it’s been… fine. There are bugs, but they’re mostly in the category of “irritating” rather than “massively disruptive”. It’s nice that teams is integrated with the rest of Microsoft’s 365 and outlook stuff, and service uptime has been good enough. From my POV, the differences vs Slack have been pretty minor (although I recognize that my experience isn’t un…

like not being able to delete a chat? I had a chat with an outside org, and now it is forever in my Teams history, and I cannot get rid of it. which has the potential to be pretty embarrassing (if the chat was not work-related) or a violation (if the chat was under i.e. an NDA and the relationship ended thus "you have to delete all notes etc"). I'm sure the creative can think of additional ways this could be awkward.

Anti-delete is configurable. Most large companies with stiff retention policies decide to enable it.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by foepys »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #212
mellavora wrote: post #182

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like not being able to delete a chat? I had a chat with an outside org, and now it is forever in my Teams history, and I cannot get rid of it. which has the potential to be pretty embarrassing (if the chat was not work-related) or a violation (if the chat was under i.e. an NDA and the relationship ended thus "you have to delete all notes etc"). I'm sure the creative can think of additional ways this could be awkward.

Wait until you discover the joys of Teams search.

For Teams it's already too hard to scroll up in a chat. It keeps jumping around and often automatically scrolls down to the bottom again. With this in mind I don't expect search to do anything.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by nunez »

IiydAbITMvJkqKf wrote: post #34

MS Teams is the worst software I've ever used. This is not hyperbole. A room full of monkeys on a typewriter would never create something as bad as teams.

I see you haven't used WebEx Spaces or Google Meet yet! Meet doesn't even have a desktop application! Of course you won't get reliable video unless you use Chrome.

Teams is not great, but for an enterprise-tier collaboration solution that can do chat, voice, telephony, and video, it's better than its alternatives. It's far better than its predecessor, Skype for Business (fka Lync).

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by foepys »

Jedd wrote: post #132
aspaviento wrote: post #100

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Linux version: - some times the left arrow to move the cursor doesn't work - some times images are displayed and others not - can't have more than 4 people on screen in a video call - the scroll is completely broken - can't get out of the immersive mode without closing the process (the back arrow doesn't work) And the list goes on and on...

My biggest issues are that a) it starts up in the foreground (none of my other autostart apps do this) so it can happily intercept keypresses you're doing in other apps -- and b) it does not respect standard system titlebar / borders, which puts it as the only app in my KDE environment that works in a non-standard manner. A/V issues, navigation, inability to find an existing conversation / conference (happening now o…

> My biggest issues are that a) it starts up in the foreground (none of my other autostart apps do this) so it can happily intercept keypresses you're doing in other apps

I needed to change my work password twice already because I accidentally sent it to somebody when Teams suddenly popped up and took focus away from my VPN client and I hit enter.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by tuan »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #180

It is unbelievable the difference in development velocity and quality of the final product if you compare Teams and VS code, both from Microsoft. Both apps are built on electron. Teams is dog slow, VS code is probably the fastest electron app in existence. Teams is full of bugs, and it seems they are unwilling to fix even security vulns (from TFA). VS code is free of bugs, even though I use it way more than Teams. Te…

Teams at MS have their own hiring practices, no shared code base, .. I feel like they operate as different companies under the MSFT umbrella.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by eli »

dspillett wrote: post #220
eli wrote: post #167

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Zoom’s statements were in fact found by a jury to be false and misleading. If you used Zoom prior to last summer you are entitled to a (small) cash settlement https://www.zoommeetingsclassaction.com/

> If you used Zoom prior to last summer you are entitled to… Assuming you are a US citizen and were using zoom from a US location at the time.

If it's bad enough to violate US false advertising law, I imagine it violates that of most countries.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by tinus_hn »

da_chicken wrote: post #170
pydry wrote: post #17

In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. This was, I am almost certain, inspired by Microsoft corporate sales getting their hooks into management. This was largely because of news stories like "end to end encryption doesnt really work as advertised" and "if you leav…

> In 2020 a rash of anti-zoom propaganda that I'm almost certain was driven by Microsoft led to a company-wide prohibition on using anything other than Teams "for security reasons" where i worked. It was not propaganda. There was no privacy protection. I work for a K-12 and there was literally no way to configure Zoom such that it wasn't a massive FERPA violation waiting to happen. There was originally no way to gate…

It was the only accessible solution that supports a large number of participants and features easy enough installation. Teams was far more limited than Zoom and might still be.

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by FreezerburnV »

nick__m wrote: post #153
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #123

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"Zoom had and continues to have a significant developer presence in China." So whats worse: a backdoor for China, or a giant hole for anyone interested? I guess the latter gives us esual opportunity...

A link preview vulnerability in Teams vs a backdoor for China. I choose the vulnerability! At work we were briefed in detail by spy from CSIS to avoid Zoom. I trust the Canadian spy before a trust I company with CCP ties. The only thing I can add from that briefing is avoid Zoom, Huawei and product from Facebook, use Telegram if you can and Teams or Google current messaging solution if you can't.

Why Telegram specifically? Wouldn't Signal be considered a more private/secure messenger?

Re: Microsoft Teams: 1 feature, 4 vulnerabilities

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Post by nullwarp »

stevesimmons wrote: post #183

Teams is sometimes comically bad... For instance, 4 people in a video chat, not an uncommon use case. The simples and most logical screen layout would be 1/4 of the screen each. No: one person gets 1/2 the screen, with a tall vertical slice. Two people get 1/4 of the screen, normal aspect ratio. And you get a tiny window in the top corner.

To add to this, why is there a giant bar still at the top when someone screen shares that you can't really get rid of. Even if you toggle it and set "focus", which you need to _every time_, there's still a (smaller) bar.

Absolutely worthless piece of software.

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