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Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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Why does it take me something like one paragraph to recognize that someone is from the Lesswrong sphere? (I was myself a part of the community at one point, before it became a cult)

Because rationalists gonna rationalize. They like deep-sounding stories that justify the things they are emotionally invested in.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #54

Reading this gave me a kind of horrifying idea that goes something like: You know about a deadly disease whose most serious outcomes can be avoided by getting a shot. Many members of a group in your society have decided they don't want to get the shot. You are annoyed by the way they talk about a lot of things, including the way they talk about avoiding the shot. They, in turn, call you "smug" for the way your group…

Correction - it's not 1%, it's 100%. Of both tribes.

could you please elaborate on this?

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sentiment seems completely useless (actually incredibly dangerous) without at least some attempt at explaining how we might distinguish between aspects of society which seem terrible but are actually secretly good even though no one knows why, and aspects of society which seem terrible because they're terrible.

The GP said aspects of society you don't understand. You changed "don't understand" to "seems terrible". Those aren't the same thing. This doesn't require you to accept things that you find terrible.

No, I only mentioned the ones that seem terrible because those are the ones you would be most inclined to change.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not high bar ? Financially there is significant amount of contribution expected to be made, in some countries like Germany the state even now would collect it on behalf of the church ( Catholic) ! I don't even know if it is possible to officially declare Catholic to the State and not pay the taxes. Ethically joining a religion would also mean you are tacitly approving every horror that religion as an institution is c…

All of the encumbrances you listed are made by humans. You can sit in the forest with the religious book of your choice and get you all you need... and never have to talk to a soul, or participate, or give money. You listed human blockades

Belief ( or lack of ) in God is not what the article is really about.

My impression is article is largely about social constructs and intent of the way each plan/topic is written is designed to make you think on the structure of the social agreement and impact on how we operate as humans.

Religion is also a social construct, those blockades are the problem that needs discussions, personal spiritual journey and learning complex ethical topics using allegory is well personal choice and nobody else's business.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, when people are talking about helping "the Planet" they're not talking about lifeless rocks, they're talking about preserving the diversity of life on the Planet. And by balance I mean not precipitating another extinction event. Sure, they're going to happen anyway eventually, but we probably shouldn't cause an extra one if we don't have to...

After the dinosaurs were wiped out, millions of new species evolved. So causing a climate disaster that wipes out humans scores higher on the "diversity of life" scale than keeping humans alive. Live evolves. The Planet, "Planet" here as Gaia, will survive our extinction.

How do you propose to wipe out humans and leave the animals intact?

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #178

Even if G*d didn't exist, one probably can't prove either way. So, from a risk/reward payoff, it seems believing is a higher payoff than not. And from a purely emotionless approach, if you're a Western religion (Christian) you don't have a high bar to cross. Just believe, no deeds or acts are required. That is a high ROI trade either way. [Edit: I am not endorsing a specific Western Religion, I'm giving an example. I…

> if you're a Western religion (Christian) you don't have a high bar to cross. Just believe, no deeds or acts are required.

That is true only for some Christians. Protestants - and not sure if all of them.

Re: Plans you're not supposed to talk about

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post #54

Reading this gave me a kind of horrifying idea that goes something like: You know about a deadly disease whose most serious outcomes can be avoided by getting a shot. Many members of a group in your society have decided they don't want to get the shot. You are annoyed by the way they talk about a lot of things, including the way they talk about avoiding the shot. They, in turn, call you "smug" for the way your group…

What's the difference between: A) smugly telling them to do it so that they won't do it, and B) genuinely telling them to do it because you care about public health, but they interpret it as smug?

Also, the kind of reverse psychology you're describing generally only works on children.

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