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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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kzrdude wrote: post #139
hirundo wrote: post #81

Hacker News has a similar problem with comments: net_votes = up_votes - down_votes You need at least two of the above variables to get an idea of both the direction and magnitude of the voting. Hacker News provides only one: net_votes. YouTube used to provide up_votes and down_votes, effectively providing all three. Now YouTube has reduced its information to up_votes, so they're now down to one variable in the equati…

Moderation here is quite opionated, isn't it? I would guess that it's a very conscious choice to not show votes or downvotes, since it makes commenter interaction even more contentious. I like it the way it is.

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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by alisonkisk »

kristopolous wrote: post #210
1_player wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

> In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest Long running project of mine. "Corporate change bounties". Customers leave some supplier and then state why and somehow demonstrate how much cash has exited with them as a customer. Here's an example. Let's say att lobbies hard against net neutrality and customers were fed up and left. They could go to t…

New ideas aren't a hard sell. Cumbersome ideas that cost more than the benefit are a hard sell.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by jasode »

Drew_ wrote: post #202
jasode wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Disabled comments is a very strong signal in its own right. It might be but often it's not. A common reason comments are disabled is that a female is in it which invites rude sexist remarks. For example, there was some advanced math university lectures taught by female professors and every one of them was spammed with "men of culture, we meet here again" . Understandably, the channel later disabled the comments out…

I too have watched Numberphile. Rest assured, there's little to no risk of their extremely popular videos being bad. > No, it's actually cumbersome and wastes extra time to determine if many how-to videos are bad quality without a dislike count. If this is such a hassle, why participate here on Hacker News, a website providing nothing but informational content with no visible downvote ratings? Could it be possible th…

>I too have watched Numberphile. Rest assured, there's little to no risk of their extremely popular videos being bad.

No, I wasn't talking about Numberphile. I was actually talking about videos from Institute for Advanced Study: https://www.youtube.com/user/videosfromIAS/videos

Last month, every one of those videos that had a young female professor in the thumbnail had the "men of culture we meet again" spam and other rude comments. All the comments have been recently deleted and disabled.

>Hacker News, a website providing nothing but informational content with no visible downvote ratings?

The HN (net) downvotes are visible because the posts are greyed out. For tech topics (not politics), I don't scroll to the bottom to read a bunch of greyed out comments. Downvotes lowering their visibility are saving reading time on HN. Same idea as Youtube dislikes.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sabellito »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #188
wnevets wrote: post #39

Do people actually look at the votes before watching a video? I don't think I've ever done that on YouTube. The outrage over this just seems so manufactured to me.

I'm with you. This feels a lot like when people grumble about some big company changing their logo. Mostly inconsequential but a vocal minority takes to the blogosphere to complain and it all dies down after a few months. People rarely even use the like button, let alone the dislike. I'd wager the majority of casual users don't even know anything has changed.

Not sure what your definition of "rarely" is. Normal well-liked videos have a 10 views to 1 like ratio; that does not fit my definition of rarely.

When the dislike count was available, videos in the same category I mentioned above would get 100 likes to 1 dislike, perhaps that I'd call somewhat rare.

But either way, I also don't care about the removal of the dislike count at all, one can still access the ratio via views to like count.

It does sound actually crazy that people are up in arms about this.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by dwighttk »

franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

> By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content.

Why?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by xyzzy123 »

kristopolous wrote: post #210
1_player wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube doesn't f*** care. Where are you going to go watch your favorite content creators? Oh, they only upload on our platform? Thought so. They can do whatever they want and they won't lose a single user. In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest, while I will hurt my favourite content creators as they won't get that thousandth of a cent they ge…

> In fact, I wanted to cancel my Youtube Premium, but I know it's not gonna affect their decision in the slightest Long running project of mine. "Corporate change bounties". Customers leave some supplier and then state why and somehow demonstrate how much cash has exited with them as a customer. Here's an example. Let's say att lobbies hard against net neutrality and customers were fed up and left. They could go to t…

You could use TLS notary perhaps.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by alisonkisk »

rpowers wrote: post #136
BitwiseFool wrote: post #6

I really hope this backfires spectacularly on YouTube and the zealots who pushed for this change are held professionally accountable. I already click on fewer videos in search results and recommendations because I can no longer gauge how worthwhile they are to try and watch. The end result? I'm sticking to my current channels. I can't be alone and knowing that YouTube takes recommended content so seriously, I have to…

From my experience the ones pushing for these ideas are the fresh grad PMs trying to do something big for "perf". The whole platform feels like Waymo, driverless.

This is ridiculously. Major changes like this are decided at the top.

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Post by ripply »

dwighttk wrote: post #226
franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

> By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. Why?

The only other way to engage is to leave a negative comment
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