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Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Original title is much more accurate "Courts block two Biden administration COVID vaccine mandates", the edited one here "Courts block Covid vaccine mandates for healthcare workers nationwide" implies something much larger in scope.

Ok, we've reverted the title above.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Please fix the headline to match the one on the article. The Hacker News headline is deeply misleading, because vaccine mandates imposed by US states and cities are not affected by this court action.

Fixed now. (Submitted title was "Courts block Covid vaccine mandates for healthcare workers nationwide")

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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After 6 years back in the US, I'm starting to get a bit of a 'gut feeling' that it's time to get out again.

If personal freedom scares then yeah, time to get out.

Vaccines should not be a personal freedom choice. They are a life saving invention, where did we go as a society that this is suddenly up for debate? Antivaxxers on HN of all places, what the hell.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Anyone who took a biology class and paid attention could have told you that an efficacy-killing variant was an inevitability. Hell, even tinfoil hat Alex Jones said the same thing, and was for that specific instance, vindicated entirely. The top virologists didn't just "not take this into account", they willfully withheld this truth of how viruses operate in order to push a flakey, quickly-deteriorating product into…

> Anyone who took a biology class and paid attention could have told you that an efficacy-killing variant was an inevitability On what basis? It's proved impossible so far to make a strongly efficacious flu vaccine because of constantly shifting variants. But on the other hand, there are many examples of successful vaccines that have never had an efficacy-killing variant emerge (polio, smallpox, chicken pox). How wou…

Those vaccines are/were sterilizing, meaning the vaccinated person cannot carry or spread the illness after vaccination. Covid-19 Vaccines are non-sterilizing and only lessen-symptoms. As we can clearly see, vaccinated individuals still spread the virus. Not only that, but vaccinated individuals are an added evolutionary pressure for the virus, which causes the emergence of vaccine-evading variants. This means new variants can bubble up within vaccinated individuals, like we've seen with Omicron (and most likely the case for Delta as well).

Thanks!

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Wow... I thought it was just tinfoil hat types that were avoiding this vaccine because they were afraid Bill Gates was using it to implant a tracking chip inside them. But if healthcare workers - who actually know what's in this thing - are so vaccine-hesitant that the government has to mandate it to them, I'm suddenly worried whether or not I should think twice about getting a booster (or worse, giving it to my chil…

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-sur...

Just because someone works in Medicine doesn't mean they are intelligent.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Wow... I thought it was just tinfoil hat types that were avoiding this vaccine because they were afraid Bill Gates was using it to implant a tracking chip inside them. But if healthcare workers - who actually know what's in this thing - are so vaccine-hesitant that the government has to mandate it to them, I'm suddenly worried whether or not I should think twice about getting a booster (or worse, giving it to my chil…

As a Britisher, is there an ELI5 explanation on why so many Americans are opposed to the vaccination, even educated people working in healthcare? It all seems very bizarre to me...

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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I wish headlines would include the country it refers to when it says nationwide

HN is mostly centred around the U.S.

Please keep nationalistic flamebait off HN. It leads to nationalistic flamewar, which is a form of internet hell (fortunately a relatively avoidable one).

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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> The problem I see with this kind of argument is that whether a health care provider provides abortion services has very little (nothing) to do with the care given to a medicaid or medicare patients. There's no mechanism to enforce this reasoning. It's whether the agency has the power to do it or not. For instance it could be argued that natural immunity is far superior to vaccines, so excluding healthcare workers w…

> it could be argued that natural immunity is far superior to vaccines It could be argued that we should wait for benevolent space aliens to come and cure it. Just because it could be argued doesn't mean it's a good argument.

Uh, wat?

Every single study done on the topic shows that natural immunity (not innate immunity) is vastly superior and more durable and more robust than vaccine immunity. Here's a study from the prestigious publication Cell: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-37...

What are you talking about?

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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> Except in the US, the civil service is politicized and its employees are 95% in favor of one party, as shown by their political donations history. That's not at all generally true historically, even if you drop the made up specific number and say something like “vast majority", of US civil servants; it is true of some states, localities, or agencies, and reversed for others. 2020 looks like that, but the 2020-2021…

Thanks for the link! I'm referring to the Federal government. I will amend down to 85%! I think 2020 is more representative: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=W03&cyc... I'd say the Federal civil service starts at Health and Human Services and below.

> I think 2020 is more representative

The historical chart on my first link shows that 2020 is wildly nonrepresentative.

Unless you think that Trump vs. the present Democratic party is somehow a new stable political alignment.

> I'd say the Federal civil service starts at Health and Human Services and below.

It does not. Department of State and USPS are largely federal civil service, whereas Los Angeles County and the City of New York are entirely not, for instance.

Re: Courts block two Biden administration Covid vaccine mandates

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Whilst thousands of healthcare workers in the US —- those who are supposed to be proponents of public health measures and rational, scientific thinking - refuse to get vaccinated, ultimately resulting in stockpiles of vaccines getting destroyed … people in third world countries cannot get adequate access to vaccines. This is madness.

This is my biggest worry as well, what are people who clearly do not believe in medical science doing working in a medical capacity? Are these people performing treatments on patients that they do not believe work? The mind boggles.

> clearly do not believe in medical science doing working in a medical capacity

Or... the people who know the most about the tradeoffs and benefits of this particular vaccine have done a cost/benefit analysis and rejected it? I'd be curious to see if they're rejecting this particular (experimental, rushed, based-on-unproven-mRNA technology) vaccine but not, say, the mumps or rubella vaccines.

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