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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #195
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115

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> it's the bare minimum that can be done for PR purposes This is an edgy dismissal from an armchair, but it’s wrong. Functionally, this designation cuts the company and its employees off from the American financial system.

How? There's no restriction on buying from the NSO Group, I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks. The Entity List just bars exports of certain items to that company. What US good are they dependent on?

> I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks

Most institutions won’t open an account for someone with an OFAC hit. They legally can. But it involves a lot of extra legal, compliance and other costs. As a result, most don’t.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

otrahuevada wrote: post #165
q1w2 wrote: post #161

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There is no evidence of torture whatsoever. This is a strange lie you keep posting with your link to 972mag, a biased Palestinian defense magazine. If you dig a little deeper at what the actual accountant's lawyer said - he said his client was seated in a chair with his hands tied behind his back during his initial arrest. Inventing a new name ("The shabah position") doesn't make it torture. Obviously the lawyer want…

https://www.972mag.com/shin-bet-dossier-palestinian-ngos/ Oh isn'there? Please, stop lying. The established facts, that the Shin Bet tortures people and israeli courts accept anything extracted under torture as testimony, do not in any way make your attempt at attacking sources of information nor your claim that this is false any more valid. Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perce…

> Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perceiving

If someone disagrees with you, surely they must be getting paid. Whose payroll are you on?

> Can we go back to having an earnest discussion

Indeed.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by hanniabu »

lacker wrote: post #194

This title is quite editorialized. The whole controversy is over whether these are human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims. It should not be a surprise that the NSO group, as an Israeli company, is working against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists.

> against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists

Basically any Palestinian is a terrorist in the eyes of the Israeli government because it allows them to justify their oppression, theft, and murders.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

yonixw wrote: post #91
VictorPath wrote: post #65

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Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

> including the building in which the Associated Press had its office, a building Israel said it purposely targeted. Why did you omit the reason for targeting? "... because it was being used by the groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad and that terrorist attacks were directed from there" https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-has-received-mo...

> Why did you omit the reason for targeting?

I think it's obvious why he omitted it.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

VictorPath wrote: post #93
bawolff wrote: post #83

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I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

Israel launched over 900 attacks on Gaza in May, killed hundreds of Palestinians, and displaced tens of thousands of Palestinians. The UN estimate is 461 housing and commercial units were destroyed by Israel's bombing of Gaza. I don't dispute even more could have been killed by Israel and more destroyed by Israel if the United Nations Security Council did not call for an ending to it and that if that did not happen "…

> Israel launched over 900 attacks on Gaza

This has a super simple solution. 5 minutes after Gaza (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, whoever is in charge) stops bombing Israel with missiles and rockets (which it has done since 2007), there will be no more conflict in Gaza.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by jjcon »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #216
jjcon wrote: post #210

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> Palestinians live in an apartheid state I’m not sure that means what you think it does

they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land. their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. What am I missing here?

> they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land

That is how country boundaries work - there are lots of disputed territories in Israel - pretending it is as simple as 'allocated land' is completely disingenuous

>their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force.

You mean Hamas? They elected Hamas and all that came with it, and I agree it has lead to a very sad state of affairs. (Unless you are referring to Israel in which case again, that is just how country boundaries work. I don't get to vote in the French elections when I reside in the UK.)

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by BeetleB »

whimsicalism wrote: post #170
zouhair wrote: post #145

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Wait until you learn what was said about Mandela.

Seriously. Do people forget the rhetoric around Mandela and the ANC during apartheid South Africa? He was only taken off the terrorist watch list in '08.

Mandela was offered an early release if he renounced violence. He did not take that offer. I don't know about after his release, but for most of his life he believed in achieving his aims with violence, if need be.

As for the violence the ANC perpetrated: It would definitely be considered terrorism today.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by jedimind »

[deleted] wrote: post #209
kryptozinc wrote: post #199

ITT: Israeli shills in full force.

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Low karma doesn't make him or anyone a shill (+ it's a old account from 2019, NOT a newly created account just for this thread), some people just don't like commenting on political stuff with their main accounts. You have been heavily brigading this thread tho and your higher karma doesn't give you immunity to the shilling classification.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by skinkestek »

chuckee wrote: post #75
skinkestek wrote: post #20

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A more instructive question might be (warning: this is meant to get people thinking, but at least I'll be straight forward about it): Why does nobody else follow up on the UN resolution from 1948? (Just like in the case of India / Pakistan UN decided to divide the area into two parts, one for Jews, one for Arabs.) I can also ask: why does so few other support the single somewhat functioning democracy in the region? T…

> a beneficial although controversial deal for both parts. How did the US benefit? Did that benefit go to the US population as a whole, or to a few oil companies? Does that benefit exceed the astronomical cost of the many middle eastern conflicts the US has gotten tangled in?

Intel has a significant presence there as has probably a number of other American companies and since they stay there despite the logistic and PR issues there must be some advantages.

A whole lot of other products and tech originate in Israel it seems, so much that every boycott Israel campaign only get so far before everyone figure out it isn't worth the trouble.

Besides Israel has been invaluable in getting intelligence about Russia, which as far as I have understood was the reason why the US military became so close friends with Israel in the first place.

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