Is Sony prepared for such an event or some sort of irreversible damage is done as a console?
Playstation 5 root keys obtained
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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
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Because we don't generally use asymmetric keys for much data encryption. The operations are (IIRC) comparatively computationally expensive.
First of all, we are talking about on-device decryption, so there is no difference in terms of security whether people extract a symmetric secret key or an asymmetric secret key. Secondly, yes, asymmetric encryption is slower, so you almost always use hybrid scheme: asymmetric scheme (ElGamal, for instance) for encrypting the symmetric key, and then a symmetric scheme (e.g. AES) for the bulk of the data. Only in very…
> First of all, we are talking about on-device decryption, so there is no difference in terms of security whether people extract a symmetric secret key or an asymmetric secret key.
Sure, but we might (potentially) be interested in the encryption part later on too, and having a symmetric key will make that easier (though of course it won't get you past any signature checks.
I've never come across those more exotic protocols, but I'm familiar with symmetric kex under public/private encryption.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#223Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…
You're not following the trends closely enough. Nintendo combined their portable and console markets with the Switch and this console format is a huge hit with kids, parents, and adult gamers even.
I suspect if MS takes another generational shellacking from Sony they will try a similar maneuver, combining the Xbox and Surface brands to make a single SKU gaming PC. The Xbox already runs Windows 10 with a custom ui. They won't drop out off the console race without trying this. (It would be a compelling student device.)
Sony is stuck selling dedicated TV attachments but luckily they command the biggest audience and have "won" the console war against MS three of the four generations. The PS5 has done so well there's no reason to believe there won't be a PS6. Sony plans the obsolescence on a 10 year timeline. They refused to put an SSD into the PS4 era consoles knowing that adding it would be a generational leap for the PS5, more than graphics.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think LTT had some boards they bought from China that are very similar to the ps5 mainboard. PCB even looks nearly identical with the ring configuration of the layout. https://linustechtips.com/topic/1383323-why-is-amd-selling-b...
But that is just the CPU. Basically the expensive part (the beefy integrated gpu) is not working and thus the still working parts (cpu, memory, io, etc) are being sold instead of being thrown into trash.
Yea, I was just pointing it out.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#225Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…
> with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming
On a modern system you buy in the next electronic store that is ready to use the mental load is the same as using any Sony OS.
The advantage I see in consoles is that they are more multiplayer friendly. It is mostly more comfortable to share a large couch, but PC maintenance is as easy as it is on console. You cannot play instantly. I use a console 3 times a month when friends come around to play. I often have to wait for a fairly long update of OS and games. Can happen on PC too, but with modern boot times, there really isn't much difference anymore aside from input/output.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
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- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…
It's only cheaper if the only thing you're using a PC for is gaming. But most people have other uses for it, so now you need a console + PC. Might as well buy a better PC to do everything.
You can get a decent laptop and a PS5 for the price of a mid-range gaming PC. Now you can do all the same things except you can watch a blu-ray while you type up that report and you don't need to exit out of your game to compile that code.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#227Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…
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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. Valve has improved the Steam experience for Steamdeck, along with the Proton compatibility layer. Then they added "Great on Steamdeck" that will encourage devs to aim for better controller support. Now there are rumours Valve is working on a new "console". Imho once there is a "console" that is basically Steamdeck with builtin Steam store and a powerful GPU... in otherwor…
> Consoles are on their last run in my opinion. I've heard that for every console generation for the last 15 years. I don't think the arguments are any stronger now than they were in 2013.
Two big reasons why things are different:
1) with Valve's Steam Deck and the console-like experience for the Store on their Steam OS, PC GAMING is going to reach a broader market : you no longer need to install Windows, figure out driver updates or even how to use Windows, etc. in order to benefit from STEAM. edit: I have seen these type of gamers in the reddit discussions : they know about PC GAMING, they want a part of it, to enjoy it like their friends, but they never really got into the whole "building a pc" .. but now they are looking at the possibility finally of playing "PC games" on the Steam Deck (which is "good enough") ... not to mention the countless discussioons comparing the Switch and the Deck
... which ties right into #2 :
2) now you benefit from HUGE sales all year long. Every weekend games go on sale. Every holiday season there are huge sales.
You might argue there are also sales on PS/Nintendo, but I don't think they are as good there?
Plus, with Steam you get access to a huge catalog of "pc gaming", including so many smaller and super cheap games, many of which are actually quite decent.
Basically, if Valve gets thing right with the Steam Deck OS and their rumored "console"... pc gaming is reaching into the console market which they could never do before. And over the years the PC could become a platform to converge to since it is now on handhelds (Steamdeck) and games developed for it can provide a console experience.
And since SONY & al are already porting more of their games to PC, with controller support etc... their games are pretty much already "steam deck verified" and will be a premium experience on the future Valve console, so they've kinda already dug themselves into this "converging towards PC architecture" hole.
Imho the only question left in this scenario, is whether Linux platform + PROTON will be able to support AAA games consistently... but it looks like Valve is confident about it.
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why don't they use asymmetric keys for everything?
The most common asymmetric encryption algorithm (RSA) can only encrypt a plaintext of limited size. Depending on padding scheme, a 2048 bit RSA key can encrypt a message of up to ~245 bytes. Typically to securely encrypt a message you use symmetric key encryption. Then to allow a third party to decrypt that message, you encrypt the symmetric key using the third party's asymmetric key.
AES can only encrypt a limited size too
Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained
#230Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
Your wording is a little unclear, I can't tell if you want to know what gamers see in consoles or what non-gamers see in consoles. A dozen ppl have answered the first one so I'll answer the second one.
Since sony sells console hardware at a loss (only Nintendo doesn't do this), jailbreaking PS5 will create demand for the devices in clusters. Lots of research was done on PS3 and PS4 clusters where you could get GPU (and at one time CPU!) for cheaper than anywhere else. In modern times, I suspect people will mine crypto on them.
If so, this is actually really bad news for gamers because it will put the hottest current gen console into the same bidding war with miners as GPUs have been in the past few years.