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Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by dang »

ycconflict wrote: post #220
dang wrote: post #217

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You're misinterpreting the word "news" in the name to mean the same thing as journalism / news reporting, which HN plainly is not. It's a place where readers post and discuss links they find interesting. Sometimes those are articles from news publications, sometimes they're blog posts, sometimes they're a lot of things. HN is a conversation place—an online watercooler, basically. That's not a journalistic operation.…

> You're misinterpreting the word "news" in the name to mean the same thing as journalism / news reporting That's laughable, you don't get to redefine "news". It's right there in the name. If this place was honest, it would be called yc-announcements.com or something with transparency as to the goals of the site's owners. You're really trying to dodge this, but again, it's cut and dry. Here I'll help you and any read…

I guess we disagree about whether words sometimes mean different things in different contexts? The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them.

As for dodging, I've repeatedly unkilled your comments (which have been getting killed by one of HN's software filters) and replied. With dodges like that, who needs engagement? It has become repetitive, though, so if you'd like to continue the conversation, it would be good to say something new.

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by clusterfish »

rdiddly wrote: post #211
kristopolous wrote: post #196

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> I'm sure there are more people who want to see these content-free comments than not Two rules of thumb about how this stuff works: * Never underestimate the number of children on the internet * Never underestimate the number of people intoxicated/high on the internet Using those as a guide, lots of popularity metrics make sense. It's mostly like real life, if your community can avoid attracting children or people a…

I'm neither high nor a child, yet I like making and reading jokes. Human beings like them. They reflect well on the jokemaker's creativity, spontaneity, and ability to improvise. They test the reader's ability to tolerate ambiguity and the unexpected. You will tend to like them less, the worse you are at it, the more you're caught up in playing a status game ("I'm way too mature and serious for these 'jokes'") and th…

Right, go straight to dehumanizing anyone whose preferences differ from yours. How truly human of you.

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by choppaface »

dang wrote: post #221
ycconflict wrote: post #220

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> You're misinterpreting the word "news" in the name to mean the same thing as journalism / news reporting That's laughable, you don't get to redefine "news". It's right there in the name. If this place was honest, it would be called yc-announcements.com or something with transparency as to the goals of the site's owners. You're really trying to dodge this, but again, it's cut and dry. Here I'll help you and any read…

I guess we disagree about whether words sometimes mean different things in different contexts? The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. As for dodging, I've repeatedly unkilled your comments (which have been getting killed by one of HN's software filters) and replied. With dodges like that, who needs engagement? It has become repetitive, though,…

> The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them.

I stopped posting here because, dang, your moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative and companies was I thought excessive, especially compared to moderation on even Reddit. Your thread here with this poster, to be honest, belies to HN guidelines to "not feed the trolls." I have never seen a successful moderator troll other users so intensely. Please take a step back from the keyboard and think about why you feel the need to respond here, to "correct the record", to post "related threads" at the top of so many posts, etc etc. Whatever feedback you're getting today is clearly an echo chamber of YC energy. I won't even talk to YC start-ups now because of the bias you have personally shown.

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by arp242 »

choppaface wrote: post #223
dang wrote: post #221

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I guess we disagree about whether words sometimes mean different things in different contexts? The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. As for dodging, I've repeatedly unkilled your comments (which have been getting killed by one of HN's software filters) and replied. With dodges like that, who needs engagement? It has become repetitive, though,…

> The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. I stopped posting here because, dang, your moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative and companies was I thought excessive, especially compared to moderation on even Reddit. Your thread here with this poster, to be honest, belies to HN guidelines to "not feed the trolls." I have never seen a su…

What's wrong with engaging with someone who has concerns how the site is run?

And I have never really seen any indication of excessive "moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative". It should be unsurprising that his personal views are positive towards YC, but I see no problem with that as I have seen many people freely criticize YC, Paul Graham, and dang without being moderated away or kicked off the site (indeed, that is happening right here and now!)

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by ycconflict »

arp242 wrote: post #224
choppaface wrote: post #223

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> The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. I stopped posting here because, dang, your moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative and companies was I thought excessive, especially compared to moderation on even Reddit. Your thread here with this poster, to be honest, belies to HN guidelines to "not feed the trolls." I have never seen a su…

What's wrong with engaging with someone who has concerns how the site is run? And I have never really seen any indication of excessive "moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative". It should be unsurprising that his personal views are positive towards YC, but I see no problem with that as I have seen many people freely criticize YC, Paul Graham, and dang without being moderated away or kicked off the site (i…

Dang didn't engage with my argument at all. He threw up a smoke screen and claimed they're not journalists (they just happen to have called the site Hacker News, but it's not really news I guess?). The parent is correct, dang is not acting as a moderator, but as a pro-YC participant in many threads. That along with the lack of transparency, "launch hn", yc hiring threads with no comments, opaque moderation (no mod log)... are all exactly what you'd expect from a site run by a venture capital firm.

If YC was going to take on the herculean task of trying to prove that their venture capital run message board was somehow not biased, they would need to really lean into transparency. As it is, they've done the exact opposite. I strongly disagree with dang that the general sentiment is that HN is unbiased, maybe amongst the faithful here people will say that (hoping someday to get some YC cash), but in the wider industry no one thinks HN is anything but YC's media outlet and the policies, features and moderator actions here back that up.

The onus is on the platform to prove that their conflict of interest isn't effecting the contents of the site, not on the audience to take their word on faith.

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by dang »

choppaface wrote: post #223
dang wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we disagree about whether words sometimes mean different things in different contexts? The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. As for dodging, I've repeatedly unkilled your comments (which have been getting killed by one of HN's software filters) and replied. With dodges like that, who needs engagement? It has become repetitive, though,…

> The real judge here is the community. I doubt you'll get very far making your (rather extreme) argument to them. I stopped posting here because, dang, your moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative and companies was I thought excessive, especially compared to moderation on even Reddit. Your thread here with this poster, to be honest, belies to HN guidelines to "not feed the trolls." I have never seen a su…

If I don't respond, then we get accused of not responding to criticism. So I try to add enough information for readers to make up their own minds.

As for moderating HN vis-à-vis YC - I've explained exactly what our approach is on countless occasions (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...), including to you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27685595.

You've repeatedly expressed that you don't like how we moderate HN and consider it inferior to your own practices as a moderator elsewhere. I'm sorry to hear that (and you may be right about the latter!), but your posts about these things have included several false statements as well as things that the bulk of the community just doesn't agree with you about. For example, when I post about related threads, that has nothing do with YC. I do it because readers like looking at links to past threads. It seems a strange thing to complain about.

Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by [deleted] »

ycconflict wrote: post #225
arp242 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with engaging with someone who has concerns how the site is run? And I have never really seen any indication of excessive "moderation and preference for YC-positive narrative". It should be unsurprising that his personal views are positive towards YC, but I see no problem with that as I have seen many people freely criticize YC, Paul Graham, and dang without being moderated away or kicked off the site (i…

Dang didn't engage with my argument at all. He threw up a smoke screen and claimed they're not journalists (they just happen to have called the site Hacker News , but it's not really news I guess?). The parent is correct, dang is not acting as a moderator, but as a pro-YC participant in many threads. That along with the lack of transparency, "launch hn", yc hiring threads with no comments, opaque moderation (no mod l…

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Re: Hackernews.com

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Post by sumtechguy »

kingcharles wrote: post #29
sumtechguy wrote: post #22

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Think some of my bookmarks date back to mosaic. About once a year I sweep them and purge a good amount of them as I have hundreds nicely organized into categories. They 'rot' so not worth keeping. Sometimes I will point them at archive but usually I can not even remember why I bookmarked them in the first place.

I was just away from the Internet for 8 years. When I checked my bookmarks 99% of them were dead links. I wonder how many from Mosaic days would still be valid?

not many. Also many times even if the site is still around the content may not have been updated in years.
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