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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by strken »

heurisko wrote: post #144
EllieEffingMae wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're okay with one of these things but not the other, then you are applying a double standard based on a moralisation of sex. Sex as labour is no different than any labour, and there is no criticism of sex work that is whole an complete that does not also criticise the very system you're defending.

> Sex as labour is no different than any labour. If that is true, then a thought experiment would be: should refusing to enter prostitution be a grounds for losing jobseekers' welfare, eg. jobseekers allowance [1]? [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/jobseekers-allowa...

It's comparable to working in a butcher that specialises in pork. Clearly, the job would be unsuitable for a Muslim or vegan jobseeker. That's why the government website specifies suitable jobs and has an exception for a good reason not to do the job.

I agree with the general principle that not all labour is the same, but I don't think prostitution is in a class of its own. If you paid me enough I'd probably do it for a week and then retire.

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Post by enimodas »

Liriel wrote: post #197

> I’ve been sexually assaulted on the job (which was sort of my mistake; this was the one guy who I thought I’d screened but actually hadn’t, and if I’d screened him I would have not met him) No it wasn't your mistake. It hurts me to see that people who have been through trauma blame themselves for it.

Kinda baffling, when she gets assaulted she never even let the guy know he was doing something wrong, and later in the article she admits to raping a guy who had clearly stated he didn't want to have sex with her, while conspiring with her friend about it. And she barely even registers she did something wrong. It was "awkward".

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by siva7 »

system2 wrote: post #138
LurkingPenguin wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And also: > 8% reported legal trouble > 8% reported being arrested > 16% reported physical assault > 17% reported contracting a STD > 29% reported being stolen from > 41% reported sexual assault So no doubt the rates are in part a reflection of the risks providers take in the course of offering their services.

> 17% reported contracting a STD I wonder if any money is worth having an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

For those with access to healthcare and regular checkups a typical STD is usually not deadly, including HIV.

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Post by jwally »

I’ve always wondered why nobody’s ever set up a porn-for-hire business (maybe they have) to hide a prostitution business behind whatever laws make pornography legal.

It’d essentially be an escort service where the “John” finances the “shoot” renting your room, equipment, and the girl’s time. They could then take their film and destroy it or distribute it.

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Post by qwerty456127 »

jwally wrote: post #225

I’ve always wondered why nobody’s ever set up a porn-for-hire business (maybe they have) to hide a prostitution business behind whatever laws make pornography legal. It’d essentially be an escort service where the “John” finances the “shoot” renting your room, equipment, and the girl’s time. They could then take their film and destroy it or distribute it.

I knew of a brothel where you could have sex for free if you allowed them to videotape that.

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Post by zozbot234 »

Yoric wrote: post #156

Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?

Unfortunately, legal sex work is often exploited as a safe haven for human trafficking. High end escorting is actually likely to be at the lower end of risk, but is ultimately too tiny of a niche for policymakers to care about preserving.

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Post by _z6tl »

LurkingPenguin wrote: post #159
_z6tl wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And no doubt the risks decrease as the hourly rate increases.

I'm not sure that's true. There are wealthy, powerful men who can pay any hourly rate for sex and who are practically above the law in many parts of the world. It would be a mistake to assume that some of them wouldn't assault an escort in the not inaccurate belief that they can do whatever they want with impunity.

I did not make any such assumptions, and I did not say it’s zero risk, I simply said that the risks are likely to decrease as hourly rates go higher.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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Post by bjourne »

hzay wrote: post #152

I felt very sorry when she said it's difficult to take deposits because payment processors are cruel, that she can't report a horrible client to police, that the govt refuses to acknowledge the work but takes the taxes, and all the precautions escorts have to take against cops. This work should be legal.

She describes in the article how she was essentially raped. Can you explain how legalized prostitution would have helped her in that situation? Because it seems to me that there is no way the guy would have been convicted of rape. Furthermore, future johns would avoid her if they knew that she had filed charges against a previous customer. Having sex with men for money is inherently dangerous and I don't think legalization really makes it much safer.

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Post by csomar »

jwally wrote: post #225

I’ve always wondered why nobody’s ever set up a porn-for-hire business (maybe they have) to hide a prostitution business behind whatever laws make pornography legal. It’d essentially be an escort service where the “John” finances the “shoot” renting your room, equipment, and the girl’s time. They could then take their film and destroy it or distribute it.

There is already a site for that (seeking arrangement).
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