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Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by hulitu »

anthk wrote: post #173
bluejekyll wrote: post #171

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Is Debian a different OS from Redhat?

Can you run Debian stuff on a RedHat chroot without needing different ABI compat libraries? Yes. Can you run FreeBSD binaries under OpenBSD? No.

With shared libraries versioning enabled it is like in this famous movie "HAL: Without your space helmet, Dave, you're going to find that rather difficult." And taken into account that it is in fashion to introduce incompatibilities even between shared libraries minor versions, more so.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by doublepg23 »

wowtip wrote: post #152
_ofdw wrote: post #143

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Openbsd has consistently scored towards the bottom in all performance benchmarks that I've seen in the last few years, when compared to FreeBSD and various linuxen. I would personally never use it for a laptop.

Scores are one thing, using it is another. I ran OpenBSD on a Thinkpad T450 for over a year, but recently switched to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, not because of lack of speed, but some missing applications and blutooth support. Given I don't run a heavy desktop environment, rather just StumpWM, but still I did not in any way feel OpenBSD was slower than Linux, using the same applications. OpenSUSE is the most solid Linux I…

When I ran it on my X200 it was simply unusable with GNOME, which isn’t giving it a fair shot yes, but it’s fine with GNOME on Trisquel and Arch.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by doublepg23 »

na85 wrote: post #209
anthk wrote: post #145

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If you cared about actual security, you would use it in a laptop thanks to bioctl and full disk encryption.

I don't think OpenBSD's reputation for security is warranted. Their vaunted claims of only two remote holes in the default install is useless because if you're using it for a daily driver you're going well beyond the default install.

I would have to agree with with your assessment, referencing the link in the above tree and this isopenbsdsecu.re .

Not to imply I don’t like OpenBSD, I love their first class support of old architectures.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by doublepg23 »

bpye wrote: post #147
epitactic wrote: post #105

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This is why I've setup my homelab with a hypervisor, you don't have to choose and can run each of these operating systems, for specific purposes they are best suited for. This is what I do: OpenIndiana: file server (ZFS) OpenBSD: firewall, router, network services (DHCP, DNS, NAT) DragonflyBSD: game server FreeBSD: other general application services I haven't found a personal use case for NetBSD yet, though I would l…

Is OpenIndiana really better than FreeBSD or ZFS on Linux today? I’ve had a pretty great experience using ZFS with NixOS but I’m curious if I’m missing anything.

Yeah I think using ZFS on even Linux is fine now since they’re using the same code base at this point.(IME Ubuntu has the most painless experience as it ships with the kernel by default.)

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by tcmart14 »

_ofdw wrote: post #143
t-3 wrote: post #135

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OpenBSD for laptops, VM guests, and VPSs. It has a very coherent userland, and the devs dogfood heavily, my go-to for anything I have to actually administer. FreeBSD for servers and NAS, desktop. FreeBSD has high performance all around, ZFS, jails, bhyve, linux compatability, etc. But it's not as nice to administer as OpenBSD. I want to love it, but it's tedious. NetBSD is an OK choice for anything, and very capable,…

Openbsd has consistently scored towards the bottom in all performance benchmarks that I've seen in the last few years, when compared to FreeBSD and various linuxen. I would personally never use it for a laptop.

It depends on where you fall in trade-offs. OpenBSD also tend to be proactive in security and will choose security over performance enhancements. FreeBSD aims for performance. If you need a super performant desktop that is running a BSD flavor, FreeBSD is the choice. If your focus is having a secure desktop, OpenBSD is probably more up your alley. It is the age old question, you want speed, quality and quantity, but you can only choose 2, so which 2? Neither is a lesser system, they just have different priorities. For BSD, I have a preference for NetBSD, mostly because I value portability. I can take pksgrc and use it on my MacOS machine or my Linux box.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by tcmart14 »

hnarn wrote: post #198
chasil wrote: post #182

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*YES*, systemd is an option. It is not the default. https://lobste.rs/s/jx3cr6/initware_systemd_fork_runs_on_ope...

I'm the first to admit that I'm ignorant of the facts here, but seeing that a systemd fork ran on OpenBSD for the first time two months ago does not give me confidence that it's "an option" in the sense that you can trust it to work well. And to be pedantic (this is an OpenBSD thread, after all), it's not "systemd", it's a fork of systemd called "InitWare", and the GitHub repo describes it as "alpha software". Someon…

Pretty much this. SystemD was inspired by LaunchD on MacOS and was written as a clean room implementation of something in the spirit of LaunchD. InitWare is essentially an init system inspired by SystemD.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by nix23 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #154
anthk wrote: post #145

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If you cared about actual security, you would use it in a laptop thanks to bioctl and full disk encryption.

OpenBSD is not really as secure as people make it out to be: https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/openbsd.html And plenty of other OSes have FDE and everything in-between.

Really good to see hardenedbsd is being mentioned, thanks for the link.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by ktm5j »

mirekrusin wrote: post #90

I'd love to try but I'm experiencing hardcore option paralysis every time I start thinking about it. FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD – _that_ is the question. Wait, maybe DragonFly actually? illumos? ...wait, I mean OpenIndiana, I think... wait, what's OmniOS? Is Darwin a thing, like I could just have BSD and macOS for free or something?

I'm quite fond of Dragonfly BSD. It's a pleasure to use, well documented and hammerfs seems pretty decent.

Re: OpenBSD 7.0

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Post by edgyquant »

massysett wrote: post #176
edgyquant wrote: post #112

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I love zsh but it’s history doesn’t segregate based on the tty and it locks up a lot during autocompletion for me (on Ubuntu.)

This is not typically the default setting in zsh (it is if it’s acting like ksh.) Your distributor has probably “helpfully” set it up this way. man zshoptions and look for “SHARE_HISTORY”.

It's Ubuntu 18.04 with Oh My Zsh
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