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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Sure, the output of the culture industry can be compared to the output of any other industry. That's why it needs to be preserved, especially if it's harmful. We keep museums not only to be wowed by amazing artifacts, but also to know our past, what life was like. And for the same reason, everything from Hitler's radio broadcasts to doge memes is worth preserving. See my other response in the thread.

I think I agree and disagree with you. I agree with the value of preservation, as a hobbyist collector and archivist myself. However I agree with the notion that all culture and aspects of a particular culture are of equal worth. If I had to choose in a house fire, I'd take a hard drive full of my favorite youtube videos and movies, and leave behind the hard drive full of mobile game advertisements and mid level mark…

> notion that all culture and aspects of a particular culture are of equal worth

I never made such a claim.

The problem is that everyone has their opinion on what needs to be preserved. I might not care at all about what you have on your hard drive, and vice versa.

Archive and libraries aren't Eternal and Forever Storage. Future archivist might as well prune them (as they do).

However, at the current time we don't have enough data to decide which things are worth preserving, and which are not.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Preservation generally involves not being a single copy in a house that might be on fire in a thought experiment.

That’s irrelevant to the posed question.

The posed question is ridiculous.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, the output of the culture industry can be compared to the output of any other industry. That's why it needs to be preserved, especially if it's harmful. We keep museums not only to be wowed by amazing artifacts, but also to know our past, what life was like. And for the same reason, everything from Hitler's radio broadcasts to doge memes is worth preserving. See my other response in the thread.

I think I agree and disagree with you. I agree with the value of preservation, as a hobbyist collector and archivist myself. However I agree with the notion that all culture and aspects of a particular culture are of equal worth. If I had to choose in a house fire, I'd take a hard drive full of my favorite youtube videos and movies, and leave behind the hard drive full of mobile game advertisements and mid level mark…

>and leave behind the hard drive full of mobile game advertisements

Funny thing you say that.

Because today on the front page on Hacker News, we find... Old game advertisements[1].

Irony notwithstanding, I hope that proves my point.

The hard drive you'd leave behind would be a treasure someone 40 years in the future.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28692049

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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That’s irrelevant to the posed question.

The posed question is ridiculous.

You have to appreciate it, though, given that one of the posts on the front page of HN today is...

...old videogame advertisements[1]

The irony is just so, so beautiful.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28692049

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

#225

At this point, Google is pretty much the fae folk of tech: immensely powerful beings with inscrutable motives and mercurial dispositions, inclined to rain ruin on your head at the slightest provocation or even just on a whim. Best to leave a saucer of milk out for them at night, and studiously avoid the areas they control if you value your anything.

This is a pretty solid description of the situation, yeah.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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This is a bit gatekeep-y. Who defines what is trash and not significant. There are 7 billion people on earth, do you think the same things need to be equally relevant to everyone? Something you might find trash can have enormous impact on someone else's life. One of my favorite entertainment products is pro wrestling, many, many people consider it trash. Should it be thrown out?

No, actively scrubbed in the name of some principle I guess not. Please do enjoy your wrestling but don’t cry foul if It doesn’t survive scrutiny and interest over the multitudes of humanity and is lost in time

That just feels like you want to only preserve your definition again. That is by definition gate keeping.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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No, actively scrubbed in the name of some principle I guess not. Please do enjoy your wrestling but don’t cry foul if It doesn’t survive scrutiny and interest over the multitudes of humanity and is lost in time

That just feels like you want to only preserve your definition again. That is by definition gate keeping.

Look, I’m not keeping any gate closed. It’s none of my business.

If you want to invest in a time capsule for your favorite fancy go ahead.

But please don’t go “ad hominem”-y when implying anyone is violating or oppressing you if they don’t happen to have your same priorities.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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I think I agree and disagree with you. I agree with the value of preservation, as a hobbyist collector and archivist myself. However I agree with the notion that all culture and aspects of a particular culture are of equal worth. If I had to choose in a house fire, I'd take a hard drive full of my favorite youtube videos and movies, and leave behind the hard drive full of mobile game advertisements and mid level mark…

>and leave behind the hard drive full of mobile game advertisements Funny thing you say that. Because today on the front page on Hacker News, we find... Old game advertisements[1]. Irony notwithstanding, I hope that proves my point. The hard drive you'd leave behind would be a treasure someone 40 years in the future. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28692049

I'm aware of the value of old game ads and I have many myself, both physical and digital. But I'm talking about relative value. I would gladly leave my old Nintendo Powers behind if it meant I could take my actual games or movies with me, for example.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Even though I’m glad it’s back up, it sucks that it takes things being publicly blown up for Google/Youtube to do anything about their users/customers problems. Earlier this year my Google ads account got banned after not having used it for more than a year. The reason given was some vague message about violating their terms. Which terms or why? They didn’t say. Which ad or campaign? They didn’t say. Tried an appeal,…

>it sucks that it takes things being publicly blown up for Google/Youtube to do anything about their users/customers problems. Facebook, too. I don't have an Oculus Quest 2 but have heard good things about it. But I can't get one because my Facebook account was shut down without explanation in 2019. Despite its age (15 years) I barely used it, let alone for anything "controversial", but did regularly log into it. I r…

If you buy a quest 2, you will then be entitled to call support and they can help you recover your account in some cases. This has been exploited recently so I'm not sure about the success rate, but it seems like it would work for your case.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Even 4chan is moderated. You're welcome to join 8chan or whatever other unmoderated cesspool exists and enjoy it's riveting discussion...

Even 8chan contains more thought provoking two sided discussion than some echo chambers.

Personally, I’d let the results of the audience decide which is considered more “thought provoking”; a dozen CEO’s or some mass murderers?
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