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Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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I think it's UK remainers pointing out the difficulties. Which is somewhat understandable considering: - Their political opponents have spent months dismissing their concerns as scaremongering. - Many would still like us to rejoin the EU at some point. So it makes sense to point out the advantages of doing so.

The UK will rejoin at some point, especially because the younger generation will demand it, but it will have to take a decade, more likely two, unless Brexit proves to be an uncontroversial disaster and GB falls behind extremely. I wouldn't wish that on anybody. There is just too much national pride around this move, and the British political system is so thoroughly messed up that it will take one or two leadership g…

The tragic thing is that this is just a re-run of history, with the whole "first time tragedy, second time farce" ring.

After the Suez Crisis in 1953 it was clear to the British establishment that the US would put its own interests first over its allies, and the UK was a busted flush as a world power. Without its empire its only future was as a "first among equals" in the European project.

It spent the next two decades trying to get into the EU (or EEC as it was then) despite objections from Charles de Gaulle and domestic opposition on both sides of the aisle. But by the early 70s it was clear that Britain was not only no longer a world power, but was unable to keep the lights on. The Common Market - plus North Sea oil - was the lifeline.

Now the UK is back where it was in the 70s, only this time the North Sea oil wells are running dry and it is out of the EU with no prospect of joining soon, having trashed relations with its closest neighbours.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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> "The free movement of labour is part of the European Union, and we tried very hard to convince the British not to leave the Union," said Olaf Scholz, the Social Democrat candidate to succeed Angela Merkel as German chancellor. "They decided differently. I hope they will manage the problems coming from that," Scholz said. Man, I can smell the schadenfreude from all the way over here.

The issue with free movement of labor is that it only works out well across a region with standardized pay rates. Otherwise corporations will import labor from the low-cost zones and fire their high-cost local workers. This causes a lot of anger, see Brexit.

And yet the truck driver openings, now that the low cost workers are gone, have yet to see a significant pay rise to bring in locals that have never considered the job until now

And if, lets say, the corporations will now have to pay double for UK citizens to drive the gas delivery trucks. Wouldn't that raise the gas prices quite considerably?

The world outside the UK is working pretty well with labor import. Even a certain US ex-president was speaking about how bad it was, while he was requesting hundreds of low cost work visas for his vineyards (got to keep costs low...)

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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There is pictures in the Daily Mail of people emptying water bottles and filling them with petrol.

This is very common throughout Southeast Asia as short-to-medium-term fuel storage, I imagine elsewhere too.

I did this once in Malaysia as the piece of crap car I rented ran out of fuel 5 minutes after leaving depot. Walked to petrol station, tried to fill up Coke bottle with petrol, which created a wonderful petrol fountain/volcano all over me .. then a nice long walk back to the car in mid day sun ... was still a great trip :P

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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No mention of lockdown effects detracts from the credibility of that comment.

I can tell you now, the UK has functionally no restrictions within the country. You ought to wear masks on public transport, that's about it. Lockdown is over, for now at least.

The lockdown has had some effect: HGV tests and lessons were restricted over the lockdown period. And the DVLA has also gone on strike due to covid workplace safety concerns which has meant that those who have passed their tests have been delayed in getting their licenses.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Unlike the toilet paper panic buying there is limited capacity people can buy, so I would expect this to naturally end short term when people don’t have capacity to buy any more. What concerns me is government planning to address this looks a lot more forward looking than a few days/a week, so I can see it getting worse. Interesting how the government say it’s not a shortage, if the refineries were running low you wo…

> ..as I think most people are just filling up to the top instead of half way.. Perhaps I am missing something here, but are you referring to vehicles in this context? Is it not common to always fill your tank to the top?

Tell me you are an American without telling me you are an American.

Jokes apart, in Europe the gasoline is so expensive that you need ~80€ to fill up a small car. For an SUV can be close to 100€.

So we just fill up to just what is absolutely necessary and then we live in anxiety :)

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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It's definitely true that they lack truckers. They don't just grow on trees, and when a few tens of thousands leave, well...

> They don't just grow on trees, Reminiscent of Teresa May's "magic money tree" comment

I've genuinely no idea why this is phrase is most frequently associated with May. As best I can tell she was just regurgitating a line from her predecessor: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21694944

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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The official line is that there is a lack of truck drivers, which is mostly true because Brexit has prevented a lot of the foreign drivers from working

That's actually not the official line. That's the line of the Road Hauliers Association. The government line was provided to the Telegraph yesterday, and goes like this: - There is only really a "shortage" of about 100-150 tanker drivers in the entire country. - The petrol shortage was caused by aforementioned hauliers association deliberately telling the press that there was about to be a massive fuel shortage. That…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/924574.stm interesting that in 2000 the panic was sparked by an active measure, e.g. a physical blockade of refineries, this time round it only took a leaked document.

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As Brian Madderson, chairman of the Petrol Retailers Association, explained on BBC Breakfast this morning. This happened because a BP document was leaked to the media, which unsurprisingly got them excited about a possible shortage and led to the panic buying. Madderson also said the industry is used to dealing with about 2 million liters of fuel being required a week, but that's with typical weekly fill-ups. He sugg…

But over the long term, filling to the brim will not change the overall demand, it just changed the storage location. Once the system catches up to that fact, there shouldn't be a shortage anymore.

yes, it should be possible to catch up, although it will happen more slowly depending on how bad the driver shortage has become within the fuel industry.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Have a buddy with multiple 50 gallon "drums" he fills up with gas anytime he even suspects that gas price is going to go up. Sounds like a lot of work to maybe save $50, but hey... mostly fun and games (unless you barn catches fire).

Gasoline has a shelf life also, particularly modern gasoline blended with ethanol and other additives. Ever had trouble using last year's gasoline in the lawn mower the following spring? Diesel generally stores better, but it can have problems with algae growth.

Well, you can put $1 of stabilizer in and have it last for at least a year.

Re: Pumps run dry at gas stations in Britain

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Or there is the distinct possibility that this was a heavily-traversed border pre-Brexit and with Brexit it now requires a lot of border checks.

I'm not going to argue whether the actual statement is true or not: Many people don't trust the government at the best of times but if it is true, I seriously doubt whether it constitutes 1/5 of all EU trade (assuming that border checks are in proportion to trade).

Or people who live just across the border where there previously was none continue to commute to work daily, now across a border.

With time countries usually end up passing treaties to make these regular passings easier. When you are a country newly enforcing the Schengen border it’s a high faff affair and closely scrutinized.

I remember when Slovenia first got the border it caused huge problems and long delays.

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