Revolt of the Delivery Workers • Hacker News Board

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by CryptoPunk » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:03 AM UTC

awild wrote: post #218

CryptoPunk wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Would love to see some of your reasoning for how exactly this outcome restricted other workers rights? It prevents other workers from underbidding them, by making it illegal for the employer to hire those workers due to the contract liberty suppressing mandate to engage exclusively in collective bargaining with the union. Forcing companies to pay more than market wages is also bad for society at large by discouragi…

Yes obviously, people are being taken their right to live in extreme poverty. Thanks for standing up to the little people.

It's completely irrelevant to human rights which groups stands to benefit from an authoritarian intervention. Rights are not predicated on whether you're big people, or little people.

And as it would happen, giving a select group of 'little people' special privileges, through coercive force against employers, results in higher consumers, which hurts all other little people and/or less investment, which reduces future wage growth, for all workers.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by jamil7 » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 12:29 PM UTC

CryptoPunk wrote: post #220

jamil7 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It prevents other workers from underbidding them Reread my comment, they were never able to underbid each other in the first place they already had a fixed hourly rate, the strike and subsequent contract negotiated a higher rate so nothing to do with their ability to underbid was changed since it was never possible. So I'll ask again, how are did this specific incident restrict the rights of other workers?

The company did not agree to anything freely. When the contractors striked, the company was prevented, by contract right violating laws, from replacing the strikers with new workers. They were therefore being extorted, and agreed under duress. The agreement prevented other workers, who are willing to work for the previous hourly wage, from underbidding the unuionized workers.

Poor Foodora being extorted, forced to pay a living wage and provide better working conditions. I’m sure the other workers you’re referring to are really upset that they’ll now receive compensation for equipment and a higher hourly wage.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Post by joncrane » Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #195

joncrane wrote: post #147

The most disappointing thing about this article is the absolute apathy from the NYPD. At this point the police writ large are practically sabotaging their reputation with absolutely no self awareness whatsoever. What are we going to do as a society as it becomes increasingly obvious to every citizen that the police, in fact are not here to protect, NOR to serve?

It's been known since 2005 [1] (with precedent back to the 1980's) that the police have no Constitutional duty to protect citizens from harm, even from a specific, credible, and immediate threat. They could basically do nothing, and as long as their management chain is happy, no problem. 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-po...

Yes, those of us who follow these things know about that decision, but as more and more people find out, there is less and less trust and respect for police, and that's not good for society nor the police.

The odd thing is that many PDs around the country are doubling down rather than re-examining their mission and culture.