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As a part-time libertarian, one of the frustrating parts of the pandemic has been discovering how many people need the nanny state to step to stop them punching themselves in the face. Near the start of the pandemic, I thought the most intrusive state powers would barely be needed. Why would you ever need to make a vaccine mandatory? What rational person would refuse a lifesaving medicine offered to them for free? We…
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That according to CDC data 1/3 of vax people are going to develop an infection. There is no way to purge covid infections from the population, not even with 100% vax rate. In a population 67% vaccinated or higher, there are going to be more vax infections than unvax infections. At which point choosing to vax oneself or not is not going to keep covid from spreading and becomes a personal choice. If you are an adult, w…
Vaccines can bring the R number below 1 from above 1, which means that it really doesn't spread out of control anymore, and becomes much less common in the population.
https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...
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Not only did you come forward with a political position while stating that it isn't, you are also wrong about what the vacines do and do not protect. If vacines didn't protect the person taking them, there wouldn't be any use to them at all.
For comparison the flu shot prevents infection in about 60% of people who receive it. The point is not to prevent infection in every single person who receives the shot, it is to prevent infection in or transmission from enough people that the virus will not spread from person to person. Vaccination is not a political position in the US. We require children to receive numerous vaccines from infancy onward and that po…
Polio vaccine is a bit of an outlier. 3 doses give 99% effectiveness.
MMR 2 doses is 97% effective against measles and 88% against mumps.
The jury is still out on how effective mRNA is against covid delta, studies are all over the place, 42% to 96% for Pfizer. A lot of people are concerned that mutations evading the vaccine are likely to occur, including Pfizer CEO.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/heres-how-well-covid-...
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If this is a major concern testing daily is the only option. The covid vaccine's efficacy wanes over time.
The chance of false positives and false negatives is too high for this to be reliable in an environment with immunocompromised patients.
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I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but it's unclear what community protection that provides. Vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus. They may be contagious for a shorter period on average but the magnitude is still unknown. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 Since the Delta variant is so contagious there will be no significant herd immunity effect to protect the…
> it's unclear what community protection that provides Maybe against community spread of infection. The protection vaccines provide against overloaded hospitals, tragic avoidable deaths and paralysing additional lockdowns and mask policies is clear, though.
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> What rational person would refuse a lifesaving medicine offered to them for free? Somebody who has already had covid. They've already taken on risk - why expose themselves to more? Your argument of people acting rational breaks down in a lot of cases. Plenty of people have self destructive behaviors (many with externalities that affect others) that we are ok with.
If you've had COVID, a vaccine can help with Long COVID symptoms, and it can reduce the risk of reinfection, so it's still better to be vaccinated than to catch COVID a second time.
Try to find good statistics on the rates and severity of adverse reactions for people who have already have COVID. I've had very little success.
Regardless of where you stand with this policy, you gotta give it some Kudos: It's a very efficient way to cleanse your entire bureaucracy of doubters. I can't think of another example where a democratic republic, which by definition includes a spectrum of opinions, has its whole bureaucratic hierarchy re-aligned with the ruling party's platform. Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic?
Maybe this is due to the fact, that this is inherently undemocratic? SCOTUS ruled that mandatory vaccines are constitutional back in 1905. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
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In Texas to be a public employee you must certify that you will not boycott Israel. This is an actual political position that’s disallowed. Under Biden’s change (correct me if I’m wrong), I can believe whatever I want about vaccines and say anything (so: have a political position)… as long as I get vaccinated (this is not a political position). Not to mention that both ruling parties at the top are urging all to get…
Funny. Certifying to not boycott something is hardly comparable to have something injected into your body. While with the latter your livlyhood dangles on an administered injection of a substance into your body (and probably regular boosters) any pledge to not do something in private is virtually un-enforcable and thus just lipservice.
And no they’re not comparable, that was the point of my post. One is enforcing a particular political belief on your employees, the other is a routine public health measure, similar to other vaccine requirements I’ve been subjected to.
PS without this requirement I’m being implicitly required to inhale morons’ virus spray as a condition of my employment.
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My takeaway is the opposite: I'm pleasantly surprised with how many people are vaccinated, and how quickly. It's hard to get 2/3rds of Americans to agree on just about anything. When you look at the hold-outs, it's largely young people who are at very low risk of serious illness. (85% of 65 and older are vaccinated, but just 57% of people 18-29.) So it makes sense to me that they are more hesitant.
No, it's only been hard to get 2/3 of Americans to go along quite recently. Everyone lined up for vaccines in the 1950s and 1960s, numbers well over 90%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_inc...