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The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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Silly me, thinking the real scandal is that our daughters are forced to sell nudes to survive.

Many businesses cannot hire enough employees. Everywhere I walk I see help wanted signs. Hourly rates are going up.

Are they being forced to sell something, or a conscious choice?

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It's more subtle than that. There's a reason I mentioned advertisers :). The group I posit is the majority are the people who: - Will want to hide their sexual services related habits from others, including their spouses (who may also do the same!). Those are the people who cause chargeback risks for sex businesses, making the latter undesirable for payment processors that are optimizing for majority use case. This i…

> economical incentive gradient looks ... you're forgetting the biggest economical incentive gradient - people who are actually throwing money at Only Fans, and will immediately throw their money at a competitor if one should open. It's almost like you've forgotten that people already pay money for porn online everyday.

No, I didn't. The thing about startup economy: fast-growing companies don't give a damn about losing some of their existing paying customers by doing something that they see can lead to more growth. As apparently was the case with OF, if one is to take their initial porn-ban announcement at face value.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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The issue is that the banks all move in lock step, undermining the basic principle of the free market. If one bank decides it doesn’t want to deal with porn, fine. But when all the banks decide that, that’s very very bad. The cumulative effect is a chilling of protected speech in a way that congress could never legally get away with.

Agreed, but why do they move in lockstep? Is it a conspiracy among elite banks (or whatever other businesses)? Or is it a rational response to their political vulnerability? Or something else?

It's a rational response to the extreme social, political, financial and potentially criminal risks associated with profiting off content that may be identified as child pornography or sexual assault.

The Traci Lords case is a good illustration of this. One day everything is order, the next somebody realizes she used a fake ID and bam, everybody involved is suddenly manufacturing/profiting off/in possession of child pornography. Add in the massively lowered bar for OnlyFans/PornHub, where anybody with a phone can now DIY, and it's a legal minefield.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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A payment processor is useless without the possibility to pay with a credit card. And that means you depend on Visa, Mastercard and Amex.

I think we should have some sort of internet money that can be used to transact without any central authority.

But without a central authority how would everyone agree on what's the truth? How would you avoid double-spends, protect against Sybil attacks and basically prevent people from creating money out of nothing? If someone could solve that it would be truly revolutionary. /s

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This is the dirty little secret that everyone clutching their pearls over the OnlyFans 'scandal' won't talk about. There are plenty of providers who will deal with porn, but porn customers are shit customers who no one wants -- the fraud and chargeback rate is incredibly high so the cost of processing payments is equally high. The advantage that crypto brings to porn payments is not the pretend anonymity, it is that…

OnlyFans claimed it was the banks, not the payment processors, who were the problem. Specifically, BNY Mellon, acting in an intermediary role between OnlyFans' banks and creators' banks, allegedly blocked all payouts to creators.

I believe it. For a smaller company, it will take one analyst stumbling over something problematic that may trigger an investigation ( think SAR ). If the issue is bad enough and customer does not have clout to back it, bank might derisk.

The problem is.. it is not exactly standardized as each bank does their own thing thanks to BSA rules.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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The reason the banks, and through the banks OnlyFans, attack sex is because they are accountable, and don't wish to take risks unless they are very profitable risks. The real danger of platforms and banks is how happy they are to censor for the government, or simply the loudest, richest mouth, in order to keep the profit flowing. If you want to fix it, you put in legal protections for people to do business, rather th…

If you want to fix it, you put in legal protections for people to do business, rather than this informal and/or ad hoc regulation through the shifting influence and agendas of arbitrary special interest groups.

The answer to regulation gone wild is not more regulation, it is to remove regulatory power. You can’t dig your way out of a hole.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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If that were true they wouldnt be investing in Facebook.

> If that were true they wouldnt be investing in Facebook. It's easier to stir up outrage against porn—sexual prudishness has a long history—than against Facebook—the ability so globally to overshare, and the (inevitably delayed) realization of its consequences, is only in the very beginning of forming.

Yes, I know that. But the point I was responding to was that the banks and cc companies are worried about liability, but Fb is a larger hub for child exploitation and general social instability than all of the tube sites combined.

Re: The real OnlyFans scandal is the unaccountable power of platforms and banks

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So do I have to be THAT guy? Fine. Crypto solves this issue...

If your hypothesis was true everyone in the industry would already be billing for it

Crypto will have to overcome these hurdles first:

- Slower and more difficult to use (especially compared to saved CC auto-complete)

- No rebills (the biggest problem)

- No credit

- No payment protection

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