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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by Zelphyr »

captaindiego wrote: post #99
SXX wrote: post #72

When he moved to Spotify I suppose I'll get his podcasts from torrents, but then I end up finding far more interesting podcasts to replace him. After all if any of his episodes are interesting I can just listen them two years later.

Any recommendations you can offer for interesting podcasts?

I would like to mention Armchair Expert but they cashed in at the Bank of Spotify as well. Such a shame because it's a really enjoyable podcast.

That said; Jocko Podcast is good, though the subject matter can be very heavy at times.

Lex Fridman podcast is good. Some people don't like his somewhat monotoned voice but he has interesting guests.

Literally! With Rob Lowe is fun.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by vannevar »

elliekelly wrote: post #196
vannevar wrote: post #21

It's questionable whether online 'influencers' actually influence anyone beyond getting them to watch or listen to their show. What they definitely have is an audience, and that is valuable to the advertisers and marketers who do influence people, as well as prospective guests who want to promote themselves or a cause. I think influencers' main value for advertisers is acting as a magnet for certain demographics, pro…

If influencers didn’t “influence” then advertisers wouldn’t pay them. That’s all “influence” is. Just a dressed up name for marketing.

Not true. The owner of a TV station gets paid, and they aren't influencing anyone. They're simply brokering advertising. I'm open to evidence that influencers actually exert personal influence on their audience, I just haven't seen any yet.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by shkkmo »

knorker wrote: post #171

No wonder. Spotify is the most broken piece of shit on the app stores by far. Hey, let me download these so i can listen on the plane. Oh, the app just hangs on startup when you're in airplane mode. Well that's pointless. And on and on. It's a wonder anyone even can listen if they wanted to. Sorry, this comment is probably not HN material, but every time I use Spotify it makes me angry from how it just doesn't work.

Spotify works absolutely fine for me in Airplane mode. The reason I pay for Spotify is because it is the nest solution I have found for easily curating music for offline playback since I don't have unlimited data and I'm often outside of good coverage areas.

It certainly isn't perfect and there are aspects of the UI I find frustrating, but offline access and playback are the features that seem to work the best.

Edit: I also don't use Spotify for any podcasts and use other software since there are lots of great options for offline podcast listening that are way better than Spotify.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pengaru »

timr wrote: post #146
xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

No, he's become much more narrative/agenda/propaganda propagating and conspiracy theory fueling in recent years.

I used to listen when there were an interesting guest just to hear them talk at length about their profession/passions, but it's no longer worth it if the cost is giving rogan a podium for his self-proclaimed-moron-disclaimed pot-stirring efforts.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by lghh »

timr wrote: post #146
xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

But "both sides of an issue" is, in this situation, the right side of an issue and the wrong side of an issue.

That's like saying he has guests on both sides of the flat earth issue, except there are actual lives at stake.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by pugets »

Milolol wrote: post #133
indy wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Milo Yiannopoulos is a self-proclaimed white supremacist, that offends more than "the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley," it offends everyone that's not a white supremacist. Alex Jones testified to being a performance artist and hosts a talk show purely to hawk merchandise. Does that really fit the mold of a thought-provoking podcast like Rogan's?

On episode #1682 he talks about both figures. He was saying he does feel a responsibility to vet his guests so that he doesn’t just have crazies using his platform to spew vile, but ultimately that neither figure harms anyone just by being a guest on a podcast. He talked about how even if you hate Alex or Milo, you can still gain something from listening to them speak. Maybe you can figure out why you hate them, or maybe listening to them directly will make you understand them in a different light.

Maybe this is a 1990s George Carlin thing to say, but so what if Milo offends people? Should we only be allowed to hear things that don’t offend us?

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Post by beaner »

kadoban wrote: post #214
timr wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to I listen to his show sometimes, and while I've heard him have guests on from all sides of these issues, at no point have I heard him be anything less than a thoughtful, critical interviewer. If that's "drivel", we need more drivel. I'll certainly take it over everything I see on…

When you have extremists on and don't challenge what they're saying, that _is_ pushing a narrative. The whole "both sides" thing is the _worst_ of cable news and why I signed off years ago. Does the Sun orbit the Earth? Let's get a crazy person on and see. It's okay because we'll give an expert a few minutes too.

Ok great, so you've picked a side and have your ears shut. Don't act like everyone else should adopt that attitude.

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Post by [deleted] »

kelnos wrote: post #153
Clubber wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

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Post by ost-ing »

crazygringo wrote: post #190
Clubber wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's accurate. Do you have some links or anything to back that up? Like actual transcripts, not some media interpretation. "People say, do you think it's safe to get vaccinated? I've said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do," Rogan said on the podcast. "But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no. Are you healthy? Are you…

Of course that's anti-vax. The main purpose of getting the vaccine isn't just to protect yourself -- it's to reduce the chances of you transmitting it to others . It's about herd immunity, not personal immunity. Whether you're young and healthy is irrelevant.

Herd immunity is not possible with our current vaccines[1], which means that coronavirus will continue to propagate through society whether you decide to get vaccinated or not.

You can make the argument that getting vaccinated reduces the risk of you being hospitalized, which keeps a bed and a nurse available for someone else. Thats a much more valid argument to make.

[1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

Edit: for those downvoting me, I’ve added a reference for more information

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by S_A_P »

toofy wrote: post #201
S_A_P wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s always been up and down that road. I don’t agree with Joe on a lot of things but I don’t know that is his goal. If there is one thing that I think Joe does reasonably well- its to have you consider your stance and reasons for feeling that way. I think it’s healthy to reflect on why you take stances on things like politics, culture and religion. Joe admits that he is “a cage fighting commentator” and while I thin…

> I do think he genuinely is looking for the best ideas. I lean more towards he’s looking for affirmation to be contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian. If he was looking for the best ideas, he would of had a completely different set of guests.

I suppose that is possible, but I dont really find him overly contrarian and a lot of his views are relatively centrist to slight libertarian. I will say I think he looks for folks that he jives with more than most qualified for the subject. But really Im not here to defend Joe and honestly have not found a lot of compelling guests of late on his show. I just dont think he is as bad as he is sometimes made out to be.
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