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Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by partomniscient » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 1:51 PM UTC

tsimionescu wrote: post #198

1337shadow wrote: post #178

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> I think it'll end up more like V for Vendetta. I also love to read this kind of parallel between fiction and reality. However, when you have some experience working in defense you find out reality is more like: there's real criminal to catch, real victims to protect and to save, it's not like we have any time for non critical stuff such as going after pacific dissidents, and controlling all the medias like in V wou…

> However, when you have some experience working in defense you find out reality is more like: there's real criminal to catch, real victims to protect and to save, it's not like we have any time for non critical stuff such as going after pacific dissidents This is wildly self-serving. Security services all over the world absolutely go after dissidents and whistle-blower and many other undesirables. Just look at the C…

The Chinese are doing it as part of 'reformatting' Hong Kong, but it happens in our own backyards as well [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yqoDs1_TE

In our current world societies the university students are the most important visible protestors, because they're the smartest people that have the most to lose from incoming forced change. They're young and they see personal freedom disappearing.

However given the recent selling out nature of universities in Australia, we might lose this early-warning signal too...

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by gonzo41 » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 1:52 PM UTC

L_226 wrote: post #212

ubercore wrote: post #203

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I think your point here would be far stronger without the intelligence argument. I don't want to tell someone they can't vote because they didn't pass an IQ test threshold.

You don't need to tell them they can't vote, you just need to tell them there is free beer at the footy on that day /s

Well, elections usually happen around the AFL and Rugby finals, so there's a fair bit of drinking happening. So why not vote, get a snag and then get drunk. Seems like a win win for everyone.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by hkai » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

L_226 wrote: post #66

Since leaving Australia (and started living in Europe) I have come to the conclusion that Australia is not a "real" country - it is just a continent owned by corporate interests that happens to also have people living on it. Corporate interests own the media, politicians, food production, education etc. and no one cares, because Life Is Good. Why expect anything to change, or people to care about strong democratic in…

And you really think a socialist revolution is a way to solve it?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by titzer » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #218

titzer wrote: post #207

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My experience after having grown up in America, living in Germany 7 years, and then living almost a year in Australia, is that all those you write might be completely true, but even then, Australia is actually behind the United States in all the things you mentioned. Other than everything being redonk expensive, it's a Anglosphere paradise compared to the United States. The US is decades ahead of Australia in terms o…

Where did the US enter into the conversation, other than as an attempted distraction from the points the parent was making specifically about Australia? The parent never mentioned the US. The linked story is also not about the US. Apparently North Korea is terrible compared to Australia. And yet the parent's comment was also not about North Korea and nor is the linked article. We could run the gamut on countries, the…

It's for perspective.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by marcus_holmes » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 1:57 PM UTC

partomniscient wrote: post #193

marcus_holmes wrote: post #43

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Also don't forget the racism. Aussies in general can be pretty racist, and the Chinese cop it especially. Politicians being "tough" on the Chinese (and then quietly selling off major chunks of Australia to them) seems to be a winning move.

The situation is ludicrous isn't it. One of the major agri-businesses sucking the life-system out of Australia (i.e. water out of the Murray-Darling river) is a chinese owned business at the top of the river system. It all depends on your perspective. Some people are more Australian than our politicians, yet they look Chinese. It's a massive melting pot of variations. My opinion now is that the Crown (not the casino)…

> "The racism runs in both directions."

Not only that (which is very true). But some of the more racist Aussies aren't "white Australia" Anglo-Saxons.

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by luke2m » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 2:00 PM UTC

>let them modify and delete data

So there taking planting evidence digital?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by 1337shadow » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

partomniscient wrote: post #204

1337shadow wrote: post #178

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> I think it'll end up more like V for Vendetta. I also love to read this kind of parallel between fiction and reality. However, when you have some experience working in defense you find out reality is more like: there's real criminal to catch, real victims to protect and to save, it's not like we have any time for non critical stuff such as going after pacific dissidents, and controlling all the medias like in V wou…

We're going backwards. I was mainly thinking of us approaching the 'state of the nation' in the comic/movie before 'V' etc. started fighting back. Not the whole interrupted broadcast attack part. Things have mostly worked out pretty well for Keith Rupert Murdoch, although he's getting pretty old now. Unfortunately he is nothing like 'V'. With regards to AML: You can't tell if you're making progress if you don't have…

> I was mainly thinking of us approaching the 'state of the nation' in the comic/movie before 'V' etc. started fighting back. Not the whole interrupted broadcast attack part.

You're still daydreaming about civil war, maybe that's why you're so scared of your own ethics?

> With regards to AML: You can't tell if you're making progress if you don't have all the pieces.

Yes, I can tell there are many competent people working daily on the AML problems, more tech is created, more laws are created, more offenders get caught: and I dare call that "making progress".

It's actually a striving sector because financial institutions such as banks get fined for when they don't try their best and that itself creates a lot of budget to make even more progress.

> Your last paragraph is nonsense and your using it to justify your own identity. Your last sentence terrifies me. It means you have no idea whats going on either and have sold out or bought in to something you don't completely understand.

Absolutely, you're part of the little number of people who are aware and know, and I'm part of the majority of ignorant people. Nice argumentation by the way! (jk, you're just meaninglessly trying to maintain the status quo).

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by intricatedetail » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 2:02 PM UTC

Australia is owned by China and politicians making policies are corrupted by communists. Unfortunately it's too late for people living there

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by vermilingua » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

seizethegdgap wrote: post #76

vermilingua wrote: post #34

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The scarier but more likely version of that theory is that the Australian Govt leads the way so the other 4Eyes don't have to follow. Similar to the recent AN0N bust, as our citizen protections are more lax, the FBI etc can route data through Australia where the Govt can intercept it; once intercepted it can be shared with FVEY without consequence.

That would introduce incredible lag for gamers of every kind, and network engineers on every AS would immediately notice the BGP hijack. Your scenario is far more unlikely, if not impossible.

/s ?

Re: Australia is becoming a surveillance state

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Post by sk0g » Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 2:04 PM UTC

partomniscient wrote: post #180

febeling wrote: post #65

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> What phenomenon is driving this? Read Davidson/Rees-Mogg: Sovereign Individual (1999) Basic thesis: violence's utility declines in the information age. The institutions that are built on it, like nation states, go through a phase of decline and decay, during which they make rather more arbitrary use of force in a desperate attempt to resist obsolescence.

Co-written by the guy who fell asleep in parliament. Is he named Jacob or William. What is this bullshit? It's just like Boris. I mean Alexander. Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson. Jacob William Rees-Mogg. How are we governed by people who can't even consistently name themselves? Or are they going for plausible deniability?

Don't know about you mate, but I didn't get an input when my parents named me.

Attacking someone for their name is a flimsy stand. If they have done something dodgy, that would go much further to supporting any argument you may be making.