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Goes deep on the idea: “some moral laws might limit pleasure and enjoyment in the short term but in the long term minimize suffering and maximize human fulfillment.”
Like a meta analysis on the societal level. Not an exact science, but an interesting concept in light of the depressing second order effects we see in how our current society operates sexually.
Who knew a site which thrives on abolishing all personal boundaries in digital prostitution would have problems. You can't expect customers to be courteous and professional with you if the product is sex, all the more so if you're leveraging the illusion of a social relationship. It's a one or the other proposition. There's no in-between, there's no picking both. The entire thing is schizophrenic.
It's true that these problems are unavoidable in the current status quo of society but that's almost tautological. The question is why that is, what factors contribute to this and whether we can and should overcome them.
EDIT: To be clear, this does not mean that sex work wouldn't/shouldn't ultimately be abolished, but saying essentially "well, you try to sell sex as a service, so of course you'll be abused and violated" borders on victim blaming and doesn't address the problem anymore than a doctor saying "if it hurts when you touch there, just stop touching there".
Aren't OnlyFans (and similar companies) another way to launder money?
If you have an internet service where you pay out money to users, you are required to have a plan for how to prevent money laundering. The SEC does not fuck around when it comes to that, and if you fuck up, your payment processors will drop you immediately. Also, only accepting credit card payments to move money into the system goes a long way to protect you from money laundering.
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Have you considered the alternative that this is not an evil which you are unable to control but just another way of living / thinking of sexual content? There is nothing inherently evil about this stuff so why is it terrible that it is becoming more accepted/common? If in 30 years we live in a society where people post nudes like they do facebook posts, is there anything wrong about this? Could you describe the harm…
Sexual saturation nulls intimacy. There will be little drive to explore a personal experience when kids treat their libido as a itch to scratch. Not even historical emperor's children had harems at age 14 - this is training their behaviour for instant reward at high monetary costs - instead of working towards a goal. Instant gratification is unnatural and makes for shallow character.
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>people are free to do what they'd like Your post seems to suggest you would not be happy for your kids to do what they like when they get older. Often people seem to be happy for other peoples children to do what they like but not theirs. To me this seems like the wrong attitude towards ones neighbours. There's 2 options therefore, for me, if I am honest with my family: disapprove of porn as a life choice or approve…
People make choices I wouldn't recommend all the time. I don't recommend becoming a single parent at 16 and dropping out of school. But I can respect the strength, determination and shouldering of responsibilities. I don't recommend joining the army and getting shot at in some afghan village at some septuagenarian senator's say-so. But I can respect people who choose to serve. I don't recommend taking on a lifetime o…
Ah, yes, creating the problems for yourself and then heroically prevailing over them, how very commendable. Many people seem to expect that they will be somehow rewarded, one way or another, for their self-sacrifice, but of course they don't: "sacrifice" is just something you throw away; if you were supposed to get something in return, it'd have been called "price".
Fire up the throwaway! Not 100% related to the article, but directly related. I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid). Anyway, on to the comment at hand. We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creator…
I think in general there are some pretty big costs that aren't fully understood to doing sex work, even outside of the social stigma of being found out by your friends and family, there are mental health costs that are often not talked about. A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the l…
You (generally speaking) cannot get infected with STIs, pregnant, assaulted, raped, drugged, stabbed, murdered, convicted, jailed - for being a camgirl. You (generally speaking) can use the banking system, report that income, pay taxes on it, etc. You don't need to seek "camgirl friendly" medical professionals. Etc, etc.
I knew someone who called herself a sex worker because she posed for some fetish clothing store photos and did some fetish site photo shoots (it was a fetish involving certain items. No interaction, much less sexual, with other models/actresses. Nothing went into anyone's orifices.)
You might technically kinda almost be right when you squint really hard and aren't wearing your glasses in a dark room and you've had a few shots. But you're assigning/claiming a label to grant/be viewed as oppressed/lower-privileged while not actually suffering from oppression or lower privilege.
Camgirls - and models - calling themselves "sex workers" is like calling yourself black when you had a great-grandfather who was black.
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> A lot of sex workers overtly reinforce social behaviors towards women (sexualization and objectification among other things) in order to appeal to men, which hurts them in the long run. This is something that's really been bugging me when looking at Reddit's porn subs. There has been a really noticeable change in the last 2 years. Back then, a majority of the posters seemed to actually be amateurs getting their kic…
The titles on sites like pornhub are a lot worse. Sometimes I feel like they're automatically generated or something, with weird sexual fantasies that aren't even remotely in the video. It's become a bit of a meme, and it certainly has always been present but for example the incest stuff, it's just disturbing to me to the point where I greatly prefer browsing on Reddit just because the titles are more tame. Another c…
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Seems a bit harsh to call it "stupid". Sex work is work that will always have demand. It sucks that society looks down on it and the market for it is so skewed towards creeps that people feel unsafe doing it and face so much harassment when found out
> Sex work is work that will always have demand Sure, doesn't make it a good or socially acceptable job though.
*insert locally-relevant pariah job here
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> there are mental health costs that are often not talked about On the contrary, everyone is talking about mental costs, implying that they do not know what they are doing. I know a person who changed her work from being a cashier at a supermarket to a sex worker. Mentally, she benefited a lot. In one job, she felt like an automaton serving people. I other she had personal relationships with her clients. You can gues…
My wife who is a sex worker is in therapy provided by her camsite because the work is so toxic. She was as pro-sex-work as you can be when she first started five years ago. It's majority trauma and I have to hear the stories every day. The men who drive by want to cum as fast as possible with as little damage to their pocketbook as possible. So they drive in, maybe critique her appearance, say, "tits" or "ass" (usual…
However, I think it’s dangerous to shape the conversation about sex work solely around such cases. A person from my old flat share was a nurse on a terminal cancer ward for mostly children. > 90% of the patients died. They burned out within two years on the job. My aunt had to quit her job as hospital nurse because it physically ruined her body. She’s still suffering from that, decades later. A friend of mine spent his (then mandatory) social service caring for a quadriplegic person who deliberately tried to destroy my friend mentally, sort of their revenge for what happened to them. It took less than half a year for my friend to end up in stationary therapy, due to risk of self-harm and suicide. Yet, we don’t discuss these cases in terms of “being a nurse is a ruinous job. It needs to be banned.” - nor should we. Those cases need to be discussed in terms of “how can we ensure these jobs are safe and receive the support needed.” I believe that making sex work illegal and driving it back underground is not helping that conversation.
Who knew a site which thrives on abolishing all personal boundaries in digital prostitution would have problems. You can't expect customers to be courteous and professional with you if the product is sex, all the more so if you're leveraging the illusion of a social relationship. It's a one or the other proposition. There's no in-between, there's no picking both. The entire thing is schizophrenic.
are you saying that because people are selling pictures/videos of them selves doing sexy things, we should expect and accept that people are violent to them?
I mean, chat shows are pretty much the same thing, an illusion of a social relationship, but we don't accept stalkers on those platforms?
why does nakedness change that?