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A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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What is ironic is that there is an annual Award given to an AWS employee called the Cliff Stoll Award: For those individuals who see something suspicious, not working as expected, show ownership and drive it to resolution. As Cliff did to find a KGB spy, and documented in "The Cuckoo's Egg".

I wonder what would happen if someone at Amazon pulled on this thread and not only solved Cliff's problem but also the root cause that enables this kind of product hijacking.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

What about the following listing (first result for the search "acme klein bottle" ) : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YWM31V4 by "Brand: Cradle & Dew" "Kleinverse Exquisite Glass Klein Bottle, Handmade Math & Science Education Vase, Mobius Strip Glass Display for Gifts, Geometry Decoration & Theorem Glass - Collab with Mr Cliff Stoll" $74.90 + shipping How linked to you is this ? Are these just reselling your products o…

I was going to ask about this too -- my suspicious nature immediately thinks they're improperly taking advantage of Cliff's name to promote their product. But maybe there's a genuine collaboration and it's all above board?

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Why does it matter that it's a foreign seller? The title sounds a little xenophobic.

It matters because you could sue a domestic seller for trademark infringement. It's much harder to do so if the seller is under jurisdiction where US trademark law does not apply.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Is there any economics term for being "too big to care"? This seems to be a case of that, and it seems to be quite widespread at Amazon in particular. Just look at the mess that is the AWS console UI as another example. With all those billions and billions, you'd think that they could remedy a lot of this stuff. But alas, why bother when you are in such a dominant market position? Of course I could think of a lot of…

This uncaring attitude is directly a result of lack of competition. Amazon won. (Sure, there are some other big names in the game, but the online retail market is in a pathological state. As in case of other "natural monopolies" the network effect is very large, thus barriers to entry is absurdly high, hence no real competition. The incumbents are optimizing and diversifying, participating in meta-games - eg. lobbying, regulatory capture, PR, etc. Not to mention the endless cross-financing between services that muddies the waters. Eg. just as Google Search funds Chrome development, AWS finances the Amazon expansion.)

Basically one oneline retail market participant optimized out almost all competition.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 4D version is not impossible in 4D space.

Now you've got me wondering if it'd be possible to build a 4D klein bottle by animating a 3D shape.

I imagine you could, and that it might not even be that exciting...

Since a Klein bottle is just a cylinder with its ends glued together a particular way, I think one way to sweep out a Klein bottle through time would be to have a rubber band split into two, then have each band travel along a trajectory that brings them back together with the correct orientation. The self intersection is easily avoided by having one of the bands travel faster than the other.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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> To make their blackhead remover listing look legit, Amvoom then submitted several hundred orders over Amazon, and immediately cancelled each order. These depleted my Klein bottle inventory on Amazon - even though nothing was paid for, and nothing was shipped. In turn, this removed the "second color option" for their blackhead-remover, since Amazon felt that the Klein bottles were out of stock. Result: their black-h…

Looking at the articles from that seller, I don't even think they attach the articles for the reviews directly. It seems like they attach them to articles with many reviews, so that they can add their own fake reviews without being detected.

If they made a new article, which immediately gets a lot of 5 star reviews, that'd be suspicious and Amazon would probably detect it.

But if they attach it to an already established article, they can happily add their fake reviews and then detach them again, making it look legit.

Just a theory though.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Don't buy this guy's klein bottles, they're a scam - they're only THREE dimensional! Such a rip off. How am I supposed to store a ŷ̶̺̎͌͐̿̽̊́̕ŏ̶̗̈́̓̍̎̃͠g̶̝̺̜̜͋̿̚ͅ-̷̧̛̈́̔́s̷̰̀͌́̈́ơ̷̝̭̫͛́͘ẗ̴̹̱̖̥́h̸̡̡͙̻̀o̸̹̘̾̀͗̇̕t̵̗̠̄̽̈́͑ḧ̵̳̰̩̲͈̜͉̝́́͌͐ in this thing?

The classic Klein bottle is a 2D surface. It doesn't embed in R^3 regardless of whether you give it a little thickness so you can make it out of matter.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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This, and other instances of this scam make me not want to buy anything off Amazon ever again. Where is Amazon in this? Why is this even a thing ? Is there no oversight at all? Amazon has now become the Alibaba of the west and it makes me sick to think the once beloved marketplace is now just scamville. I typically buy from sellers websites now and rarely buy off of Amazon but now I feel I need to completely remove A…

This is common across amazon sellers, all major sellers will recycle SKU codes to transfer reviews. Amazon knows about this, it’s everywhere.

They could stop it, but presumably it stops reviews being “lost” which helps support their sales.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Amazon is unfortunately a very convenient plague on our beautiful ppanet, and Bezos seems like a borderline (if not outright) psychopath. it's late and i need to sleep, but just search the internet for "Jeff Bezos is a scumbag" and you'll see that people don't "just" hate him because he's filthy rich (nothing wrong with being filthy rich, lots of great people are!). https://trofire.com/2019/01/28/scumbag-jeff-bezos-t…

You can't single out Bezos as being a psychopath, though, because all people in Bezos-like positions are psychopaths. Otherwise they don't end up in Bezos-like positions. The question is really, how do you constrain them so they can be psychopaths but integrate into society in a useful way: they're already making themselves useful in some ways, but by their nature they have to push for more and more until they ruin everything including themselves.

It's a larger and more interesting question than whether these captains of industry are good or nice or healthy. You can assume they're not trustworthy and then go from there. Hell, all of crypto is based on the idea that people aren't trustworthy: not a big stretch to take that literally and assume that business operators aren't trustworthy.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly right. Watching Ebay and Amazon converge on being "Aliexpress" has really made me sad. I understand the folks who are measuring themselves by how effectively they promise quality and deliver crap to their customers. I understand their goal is maximum profit as their best score. And I understand that enough of the market doesn't care that it is crap that they prefer this over a quality good. Back when Walmart…

>> Aliexpress I used to buy a lot of cheap things on there, then something interesting started happening. Every time I made a purchase on there, literally a few weeks later, I would start getting fraudulent charges on my card. Thank god, my bank would call and ask, "Are you in Paris France right now? Someone just tried to purchase 3,000 euros worth of clothing on your card." I haven't bought anything on there for abo…

I don't think I've had that problem, having bought literally hundreds of things from AliExpress. Were the fraudulent charges from AliExpress or other companies?
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