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Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #33

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If someone steals your computer, they also have the TPM, which has the key, right? What am I missing about what TPM does that is so secure?

The TPM gets the measurements of the state of the system during different phases of the boot process, and only releases the key if those measurements match. It's also designed to not be able to be able to extract the key material out of it.

Measurements of what? What if swap out my GPU? Or RAM?

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #38

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Soooo, the people who can't install Windows 11 will continue to not care? I don't understand the logic of your response. It's not like Microsoft will brick machines not eligible for Win 11

They will drop support in 4 years though (or so they say) which is very short notice for desktops OSes.

I'm going to confidently predict right now that there's no way security updates for Windows 10 will cease in 2025.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #140

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Stopping trash talking about Linux was the embrace phase. WSL was the extend phase.

Not sure how not supporting old devices is extinguish for Linux but okay. I work at MS so I have some background, but even I was vocally opposed to this. The real pushback for hardware floor came from IHVs and PMs. IHVs don't want to support your old hardware beyond 2-5 years thanks to what they're seeing in phone market. We've had multiple user impacting bugs that graphic vendors I won't name would not fix because t…

I could see this as an ecosystem thing; Microsoft is maybe trying to push OEMs into using "more capable" hardware for some definition of "more capable"?

Reminds me of the issues Vista had where it seemed to implicitly require higher spec devices. This could be a different approach to the same kind of pressure.

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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I hope the public backlash against Microsoft is large enough that they revert there ridiculous system requirements. Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me. Also enabling secure boot is a pain in the ass for users that dual boot, because in Linux, to load a custom compiled kernel module you have to sign it first and do a whole lot of mumbling around to get it working.…

>Requiring TPM 1.2 is sort of reasonable I guess. But TPM 2.0. You've got to be kidding me.

2.0 hardware has existed for a long time. Why would you prefer that they support 1.2?

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #210

I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and…

> Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems

Last I checked I can’t play 1080p Netflix on them so I’d say the above is questionable for the average user.

Big fan too but the year of the Linux desktop is still a way off

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #210

I will once again register my hope that this causes at least a significant portion of windows subscribers to consider non-proprietary alternatives. Linux distros are fundamentally more useful computer systems, open source communities have done dizzying amounts of work to produce mostly-working interop with windows-exclusive software, as well as numerous FOSS alternatives to popular products. I'm not going to lie and…

And even if you do happen to need Windows for the odd application every now and then, it generally runs just fine as a virtual machine guest under QEMU+KVM. Interestingly, for Windows 11 Microsoft even seems to have explicitly removed all these awkward hardware requirements when the system detects that it is running as a virtual machine guest [0], making such a setup (Windows as VM guest only) even more worthy of consideration here.

[0] Section 5 from https://download.microsoft.com/download/7/8/8/788bf5ab-0751-...

Re: Windows 11 will create heaps of needless trash

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post #118

Just to put it in a perspective: an iMac bought in January 2019 (kaby lake) is not supported by Windows 11. That’s just crazy. If Microsoft will continue like that, Windows will be the new Android and you can’t invest into new hardware, as it may be garbage already two years later.

According to Microsoft’s own Health Check app the 16” MacBook Pro isn’t supported under Windows 11. I suspect this is because no TPM is presented from the T2.
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