A typical senior Indian programmer earns $ 16k per year
Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
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Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#222This has got me thinking. I would literally pay someone to figuratively sit down with me, go through what I've done/can do etc and then based off their experiences tell me what I could be getting. Of course, it won't be too accurate and location makes a big difference but perhaps an enlightened recruiter type with a bit of experience in a couple of parts of the world could give a ballpark figure, say X in SV, Y in NY…
You're making a mistake in thinking that there is an objective value that you can apply to yourself. It's not you.value, it's you.valueTo(other,now).
precisely.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. When doing hiring, I've always mentally divided developers into different categories than you've been suggesting: - 65k (entry-level) - under 100k (intermediate, or junior with a lot of promise) - 100-125 - most of my hires have been in this range - mid-level, talented, solid programmers - 150k+ - 'lead' / superstar level. It's very rare to find candidates that meet this level. Beyond 150-200k range, mos…
I'm amazed at what people in the US earn. Seems like the Netherlands is a developing country after all. I'm rather certain that my employer rates me in at least what you describe as the "under 100k" range, but I earn 40k euros per year. Do you guys all go on holidays to Latin America 3x per year? And have six broadscreen TVs? And villas with seaside views? Or is a 1 liter bottle of coke just also 10$ in the US?
A 1 liter bottle of coke is about $1.50-2. Some people do have several large screen TVs. Mostly, though, college education is really expensive, minimum wage is comparatively low, medical coverage isn't nationalized, and debt is (or at least used to be) easy to acquire.
In other words, it's easy to come out of college with $50-100K in student loans. It's also easy to get a major injury without medical insurance, pay $10K out of pocket to rectify it, and rack up another $10-15K by living on credit for a year.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. When doing hiring, I've always mentally divided developers into different categories than you've been suggesting: - 65k (entry-level) - under 100k (intermediate, or junior with a lot of promise) - 100-125 - most of my hires have been in this range - mid-level, talented, solid programmers - 150k+ - 'lead' / superstar level. It's very rare to find candidates that meet this level. Beyond 150-200k range, mos…
I'm amazed at what people in the US earn. Seems like the Netherlands is a developing country after all. I'm rather certain that my employer rates me in at least what you describe as the "under 100k" range, but I earn 40k euros per year. Do you guys all go on holidays to Latin America 3x per year? And have six broadscreen TVs? And villas with seaside views? Or is a 1 liter bottle of coke just also 10$ in the US?
As I understand it, Americans actually get/take far less vacation than Europeans. Couple that with comparatively no social services and this should start to make sense.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm amazed at what people in the US earn. Seems like the Netherlands is a developing country after all. I'm rather certain that my employer rates me in at least what you describe as the "under 100k" range, but I earn 40k euros per year. Do you guys all go on holidays to Latin America 3x per year? And have six broadscreen TVs? And villas with seaside views? Or is a 1 liter bottle of coke just also 10$ in the US?
A 1 liter bottle of coke is about $1.50-2. Some people do have several large screen TVs. Mostly, though, college education is really expensive, minimum wage is comparatively low, medical coverage isn't nationalized, and debt is (or at least used to be) easy to acquire. In other words, it's easy to come out of college with $50-100K in student loans. It's also easy to get a major injury without medical insurance, pay $…
Paying a student loan of $60K over 25 years at 3.5% interest is $300 per month. Paying the medical bills of $10K over 2 years at 0% interest is $415 per month. Paying the credit card bills of $15K over 5 years at 14% interest is $350 per month. Ugh... $1K in debt payment alone.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#226From the author of the poll further down: my NYC salary of $176,000 That explains (to me) a lot the choice of ranges for the poll. $176k seems to be on the high-end worldwide. Overall, because of the buckets and the problem with the wide variations over location, the results will be mostly useless. However, it's still getting upvotes (though much less than actual votes on the poll), most probably because of the fact…
I made the mistake of sharing my salary with a colleague many years ago - I was making almost 2x their salary with similar time and experience but was considered "high potential" ... I have not discussed salary since.
I don't understand. Why was it a mistake? What was the consequence of telling him how much you made?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
We work many more hours and we have to pay more for benefits like health care. Most other medical costs are higher here too; drugs are a lot more expensive in the US than the rest of the world, because the drug companies fold the research and testing costs into our prices, and only include manufacturing and distribution costs in the rest of the world's pricing. Cars might be cheaper here, and gas certainly is, but we…
That is not the case that the large drug companies sell for distribution + manufacturing cost. If that were the case, drugs would be essentially free in the rest of the world and they most certainly are not for brand names. In Canada the government sets the price. Here's a chart that's still relevant that shows prices in US/Canada/Mexico: http://cummings.house.gov/pdf/intl.pdf Some generic drugs cost literally pennie…
"The drug companies convince foreign governments to let them charge more because they say it costs a lot to develop the drugs."
It's kind of funny that they say that, since they're effectively heavily subsidized by the US government -- because virtually all of the basic research in the US (and in the world) is funded by the US government. Pharmaceutical companies get to use the fruits of all that basic research for free.
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#228Again, this doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense without location data. I'm voting with my salary adjusted to San Francisco levels by using the following adjustment tool: http://www.bestplaces.net/col/ I'd recommend that people do the same so we can remove a substantial source of noise from this poll and actually get a meaningful distribution.
Wow. It says Palo Alto, CA is 71% MORE expensive than NYC. That result alone left me feeling that this data is not what I am looking for. I have lived in both places and disagree. I am curious about what "NYC" means to this site.
Location, location, location.
It would probably make a lot more sense to compare Palo Alto to a rich neighborhood in NYC, or even to Manhattan proper, rather than to NYC as a whole.
Compared to NYC, Palo Alto is tiny, way less populated, and way less densely populated -- and there are still plenty of dirt cheap places to live in NYC (though you might not want to live in those places, for various reasons).
Living in Palo Alto would be more like living on the Upper East Side or in the Wall St district.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not the case that the large drug companies sell for distribution + manufacturing cost. If that were the case, drugs would be essentially free in the rest of the world and they most certainly are not for brand names. In Canada the government sets the price. Here's a chart that's still relevant that shows prices in US/Canada/Mexico: http://cummings.house.gov/pdf/intl.pdf Some generic drugs cost literally pennie…
"The drug companies convince foreign governments to let them charge more because they say it costs a lot to develop the drugs." It's kind of funny that they say that, since they're effectively heavily subsidized by the US government -- because virtually all of the basic research in the US (and in the world) is funded by the US government. Pharmaceutical companies get to use the fruits of all that basic research for f…
Even accepting the premise that drug companies are dependent on all the basic research, it's but a tiny fraction of what goes into making an actual drug. Just because you know the basic biological reasons for a disease doesn't mean squat to making a chemical entity that you can give to a human being. The whole process of designing something that has actual efficacy while at the same time not injuring the patient is extremely expensive and difficult science and it almost never is done in an academic setting.
Re: Poll: How much do you make as a programmer?
#230Again, this doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense without location data. I'm voting with my salary adjusted to San Francisco levels by using the following adjustment tool: http://www.bestplaces.net/col/ I'd recommend that people do the same so we can remove a substantial source of noise from this poll and actually get a meaningful distribution.
Wow. It says Palo Alto, CA is 71% MORE expensive than NYC. That result alone left me feeling that this data is not what I am looking for. I have lived in both places and disagree. I am curious about what "NYC" means to this site.
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