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Post by whimsicalism »

dalbasal wrote: post #202
whimsicalism wrote: post #153

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There are plenty of non-zionist people who survived the Holocaust, it is disingenuous to paint caring about Israel as the natural, inevitable reaction to the Holocaust. The whole concept of having a natural "homeland" because of your DNA/ethnicity/race is bullshit, land doesn't care what color your skin is or what religion you practice.

The majority were not zionist, including my family. The Holocaust changed that. The premise of zionism was never "having a natural "homeland" because of your DNA." The premise of Zionism was that Jews could not stay in Europe, particularly in the age of nation states. Most commonly, this was referred to as "The Jewish Question." The majority of secular Jews believed in emancipation. The majority of religious jews bel…

The Holocaust definitely changed how the majority of people felt, but it doesn't mean that I can't be critical of that sentiment.

Bundism also continued to exist after the Holocaust, albeit in a diminished form.

"premise of Zionism was that Jews could not stay in Europe" -> the creation of a state where citizenship is granted explicitly on the basis of your ethnicity, in the form of a "right of return" is 100% the premise I suggested.

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Post by treeman79 »

varjag wrote: post #173
Redoubts wrote: post #150

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it’s really strange… You don’t think there’s anything about it’s recent creation that makes this a special case?

I don't think so. There's plenty of states with ongoing ethnic strife, and they do face a lot of deserved criticism. However I can't really recall popular, internationally supported calls for their abolition altogether. The age of state again has not much to with it: for example Lebanon is younger than Israel and has a rich history of ethnic/sectarian conflict. Now there must be people who want to abolish Lebanon, bu…

Seems like a lot of people forget there was a goal in a big portion of Europe to exterminate all Jews.

So when some are shouting to end Israel, it’s not unreasonable to think the next step is finish the genocide.

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Post by junon »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #176
door101 wrote: post #164

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> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

This is incredibly ignorant of the history of the region. It’s also patently untrue. The amount of misinformation that westerners propagate about Israel and “Palestine”, which has never been a country, constantly amazes me.

Yes, except for the "westerners" bit. People from everywhere conflate this issue - even people living in the region. Check out The Ask Project on youtube, tons of people on all sides of the issue are misguided or simply wrong - and they live there.

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Post by refurb »

siculars wrote: post #135
tootie wrote: post #22

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Being Jewish is also multi-tiered because it's associated with both a religion and an ethnicity. I'd love to popularize being thought of Ashkenazi and not Jewish. I don't have a familial bond with Israel for probably 17 centuries and I don't really care if I ever did. My culture is more strongly associated with Eastern Europe and we were run out of town on a rail 100 years ago.

If you were your ancestors who were "run out of town on a rail" you would care very, very deeply about your familial bond to Israel. Like yours, my family was run out of town. Unlike yours, many in my family did not run fast enough. If only there was a place they could run to either as first resort or when quota had been reached in other places. If only there was a place that could make running a specific people out…

Despite the downvotes this post has a point - if you want to protect your religion/ethnicity you have to do it yourself.

Rise of anti-semitism in Europe - nothing is done

Jews seek safety in other countries - immigration denied

Holocaust happens - world sympathizes and moves on

Israel is under no illusions as to what happens if they don’t have a home and defend it. I kind of don’t blame them for ignoring the worlds criticisms.

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Post by yaakov34 »

door101 wrote: post #164
myfavoritedog wrote: post #113

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People can be critical of the state of Israel, but they should not be antisemitic. Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Many of the same countries that have all but eliminated their own Jewish populations somehow find Israel's very existence to be unpalatable, going after them in t…

> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

Seeing how the actual Declaration of Independence promulgated by the actual would-be founders of Palestine states that "The State of Palestine shall be an Arab State and shall be an integral part of the Arab nation", I think you failed to clear your non-ethnostate theory with the relevant people.

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Post by ceejayoz »

bagacrap wrote: post #178
zasz wrote: post #146

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It's definitely anti-Semitic! He's acting like _all_ Jews are pro-Israel and therefore pro-slaughtering. That kind of stereotyping is bad.

ok, so s/Jew/Zionist in the post and it's all ok? The thrust of the essay seems to be condemning violence in the name of an identity, whether that's a religious, racial or national identity, and it seems to me Zionists don't make a distinction between Jew and Israeli.

> it seems to me Zionists don't make a distinction between Jew and Israeli

This serves their interests, but the framing shouldn't be accepted. There are plenty of non-Zionist or anti-Zionist Jews, or even Zionist Jews who have specific concerns about the treatment of Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere; it's a little funny seeing people like Bernie Sanders being deemed antisemitic, for example.

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

bushbaba wrote: post #187
door101 wrote: post #164

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> Theoretically, I guess, but it's really strange how the one tiny country in the whole world that has a Jewish-dominated society is so often a target for complete destruction. Because it’s a colonial ethnostate, with massive support from the United States. Israel (the colonial ethnostate) should not exist. Palestine is not an ethnostate, it is the name for the multicultural, multi-ethnic state who rightfully control…

This is off topic. And getting away from root article. However Before Israel there was the British mandate. Before that Ottoman Empire. The Palestinians in Gaza never controlled the land.

> The Palestinians in Gaza never controlled the land.

Doesn't that just mean “they were never powerful”? If they were living there, does it matter who was in power? English rule never stopped the Welsh being Welsh, or Wales from “belonging to” them. (I don't know how applicable this analogy is to this situation – probably not very, given there isn't a territorial dispute over who should have Wales.)

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Post by Retric »

bern4444 wrote: post #167
kmonsen wrote: post #157

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That’s a huge straw man. I am critical of some of Israel’s behavior, but by no means calling for its complete destruction.

I believe you, but too many people use the line, I'm not antisemitic, I'm just criticizing the government as a scapegoat to excuse obvious antisemitic behavior.

‘too many’ is rather shifting the goalposts here.

The vast majority of people are criticizing the government not the population. It’s unusual for people to consider a nation’s population rather than their government because a nation’s population is largely irrelevant. It’s not random Americans that have a history of overthrowing democratically elected governments, it’s the US government that does so etc.

Israel’s government, like all governments, does plenty of things people disagree with and as such often gets legitimate criticism on it’s own merits.

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Post by bagacrap »

KittenInABox wrote: post #114
underseacables wrote: post #66

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Almost certainly. The last 13 years has created a double standard. White: Guilty until proven innocent, and even then, still guilty. Person of color: No, that’s wrong, people of color cannot be racist or prejudice, what they said was taken out of content by someone who is racist. That’s the new paradigm. Racism, prejudice, and bigotry, of any kind, by anyone, is just wrong.

13 years should be plenty of time to have some studies covering this; do you have studies to prove this claim?

how many years was it between the invention of floss and the connection of data that proved its efficacy?
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