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Firefox Release 89.0

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by megous »

csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

It wouldn't be so terrible, if installable themes were actual UI themes that could modify all the styles and not just a background image.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by edoceo »

teekert wrote: post #162
dralley wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." I guess it's unsurprising that UX designers would want to continue having work to do.

IDK, I like it, I would be one of those people that would complain about the 90's look if they didn't do this every now and then. But, people like you are ok with desktops like XFCE I guess, I like trying new paradigms, see what works, change what doesn't. I enjoy the occasional refresh in look and feel. Actually I think people like you are a minority, the majority just continues to enjoy evolutionary steps in design…

Yea, I fucking love Xfce. Its been the SAME for over a decade. I can't remember the last time they did some crazy/stupid UI/UX shit.

The most recent change was GTK driven, where the buttons on common-file dialog moved to the top. But, it hit every app at once so the relearn was abrupt but short. And it was only one thing. Not a frustrating batch of a dozen inconsistent half-baked "tweaks"

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by sp332 »

runarberg wrote: post #94
csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

idk. I kind of trust that the firefox team has competent designers that know what they are doing. Perhaps they found some issues in usability studies, tested a redesigned that fixed those, and sent the patch in the current release.

It also got through Nightly and Beta/Developer releases without enough negative feedback to sink it.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by black7375 »

move-on-by wrote: post #117
mathw wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last major Firefox UI overhaul was... Firefox 57, the first Quantum release, in November 2017. It's had various tweaks since, but my day to day experience has been the same since then. This is not an absurd pace of UI change in my opinion. And yes it is a conceptually simple UI, but with the whole stuff around the web with security, permissions, tab and window management and how an awful lot of modern computer use by…

I thought the Address Bar redesign in 75.0 was pretty major in April 2020. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/75.0/releasenotes/

Yes. bookmark animation and page action is major update of photon.

It's really sad that both are gone. - https://dolske.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/photon-engineering-n... - https://dolske.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/photon-engineering-n...

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by skyfaller »

kevincox wrote: post #10

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

One notable recent improvement I will mention is better support for dark mode in the default theme (although I think this fix precedes Firefox 89, it's definitely available in Firefox 88). I previously had to hack the CSS to prevent Firefox pages from searing out my eyes with white at night.

These days I'm more satisfied with the default CSS on e.g. the Firefox Home page, although some pages like "view source" still do not respect dark mode unless I edit them.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by ironMonkey »

pantulis wrote: post #184
ironMonkey wrote: post #126

I update and the Mac's native sharing is gone. Wondering if the company employs product managers responsible for Mac features (i know it's complex to handle various capabilities for different OS versions) because i assume a storm of negative feedback is coming.

What!? This makes it unusable for me.

I'm afraid that's the case. Was hoping that native menus meant tighter integration with the Mac, but turned out to be something very different.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by mmis1000 »

sp332 wrote: post #223
runarberg wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk. I kind of trust that the firefox team has competent designers that know what they are doing. Perhaps they found some issues in usability studies, tested a redesigned that fixed those, and sent the patch in the current release.

It also got through Nightly and Beta/Developer releases without enough negative feedback to sink it.

The feedback form basically get 20% of total feedbacks about how do they don't like the new tab bar (see their github issue list generated from the proton feedback form). Consider how people are lazy about fill a proper form for just complain something. That is a lot.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by megous »

freddyheppell wrote: post #200
fabioz wrote: post #169

I'm a long time user of FF. I really don't like the UI changes in this upgrade, but setting: "browser.proton.enabled" to false "browser.uidensity" to 1 (while using the `System Theme`) Seems to have done the trick, so, I can just ignore the UI changes (which is great)... fingers crossed in that this keeps working in the future. UI changes are very much subjective, so, I think that it's great that some people like the…

The browser.uidensity setting is actually exposed in the UI, in the customise toolbar panel, so it seems to be an official setting that should stick around.

It no longer exposes compact option, despite it still being in many places in chrome's browser.css (if you grep browser.css there's about the same amount of references to compact and touch variants). Just why? It looks like it was not removed for any technical/maintenance reason, but just to spite users.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by ProAm »

csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

It makes me dread taking their monthly releases. I wish they would decouple security fixes with everything else. My address bar is permanently broken, I cannot delete previously viewed sites as suggestions at all anymore.
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