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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by npsimons »

pionar wrote: post #10
namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

I've never been one of those things, but they're still useful. I had an F150 for a while that I only used to transport things like mulch or helping friends move or moving myself. I still have an old Ranger that I use for those purposes today. It seems insane to assume you can be the judge of what's "useful" or "utility".

Nice anecdote. Here, I'll add mine:

My wife at the time bought an SUV, a Toyota Highlander. She never went off road, we didn't have any children, she never hauled anything. 90% of her driving was to and from work on paved roads, a job that could have been accomplished with a Honda Civic.

Now let's play another fun game: how many truck and SUV owners do you think are like you, and how many do you think are like my ex-wife?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by hrktb »

jtdev wrote: post #177
bobince wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Roads are made for large dangerous machines that move fast and can hurt you.

That's so sad this sarcasm basically became fact after so many decades of going the wrong way.

It's also why cities are taking back whole roads from cars when they can, as it's so hard to preserve a middle ground in a lot of areas.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ModernMech »

loeg wrote: post #199
bb123 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

I agree with the rest, but I'm pretty skeptical of this claim: > Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will. Do you (or anyone) have order-of-magnitude estimates for either/both of these figures? I mean, electrification in general is grea…

Here's half of the equation: https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearl... https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/child...

Edit: Here's relevant data to the other side: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/apr/10/vehicle-... https://www.cdc.gov/asthma/asthma_stats/asthma_underlying_de...

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by [deleted] »

jeffbee wrote: post #180
voidfunc wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won't somebody think of the children please?!? If you get hit by any vehicle you're going to have a bad time. This vehicle is not an exception.

It makes a big difference where one is hit. Being hit in the head by a head-height truck grille is a lot different from being hit in the shins by a 1964 Datsun. There's also the small matter that nobody driving this truck can see anything at all for ten feet to the front.

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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bryanlarsen »

boulos wrote: post #181

So, I’m sort of curious to see what this price point does to the home battery market. The new LG Chem RESU 16h (16 kWh) is available for preorder at $8,400 [1]. The base model truck has a 110 kWh suite of batteries and seemingly will start at $40k (unclear if that’s before or after the $7500 expected federal rebate). Naively multiplying it out, the base model F-150 Lightning is a free vehicle attached to the equivale…

If I understand correctly, only the $90K model has the ability to power your home. Even so your comment still applies. 155 kWh / $90K is still cheaper than 16 kWh / $8400

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jeffbee »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #198
perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

To some people machismo means strength, to others machismo means self-reliance. The 11 power outlets and the ability to power your house will really appeal to them. If the world turns Mad Max, someone with an electric truck and a few solar panels won't have to worry about the gasoline gangs.

99% of truck-driving Americans will starve to death in the first month of a societal collapse, and there's nothing their truck can do about it. If you need a truck with a 120 kW-h battery pack it's either going to take a week to charge it from the excess capacity of a domestic solar array, or you need to quadruple the size of said solar array. Either way, between the truck and the solar panels you'd probably have been better off spending that money on land and seeds.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by leesec »

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of:

1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance. You cannot do a roadtrip only charging 30~ mph. Thats 2 hours charging for every 1 hour driving.

2. Battery range for certain use cases. The base model is rated for 230 miles. If you've ever driven a Tesla on a highway you know you'll not get the full 230 at highspeeds. And so what happens when a truck is pulling a heavy load? You may end up literally getting half that range. This will be quite a shock for some users.

3. Software rollouts. Ford has been working on this but it is still not Solved. They've already bricked Mach-E's (1), and I expect there to be many more technical issues popping up.

4. No Autopilot. This is a big sell for many EV users. As far as I know Ford is no where close to having a viable competitor.

Anyways, I'm sure these things will smooth out over the coming years and I wish them all the best with this amazing migration to electric vehicles.

(1) https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/8/22373903/mustang-mach-e-de...

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