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YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by gbil »

Qub3d wrote: post #177
FridgeSeal wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBlock Origin already performs CNAME decloaking and blocks this approach, it’s pretty cool.

For anyone else who wanted to know more like me, here's a good rundown: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/f8qnpc/ublock... Note that CNAME uncloaking only works on Firefox; chromium-based browsers do not support the required API.

And for me this is one of the reasons - probably the biggest - that I don't want to buy an ipad. Because it doesn't allow to run the full blown firefox

I've spent hours debating moving to ipad instead of android tablet and it ends to 1. lightning instead of usb-c (can't afford the ipad pro) but ok I can live with it and 2. firefox which is just a blocker

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Post by benhurmarcel »

acdha wrote: post #145
yliu wrote: post #6

Despite the title being about YouTube, this is fundamentally about Safari's declarative Content Blocker API being totally inadequate in the face of modern ad delivery technologies. Yes, it's fast and relatively more secure compared to old ad blocking techniques (which requires granting full access to effectively arbitrary JS), but ad tech has evolved since 2015 and Safari's Content Blocking API has not evolved with i…

I think you’re right from the short-term perspective but largely irrelevant long-term. If Safari allowed arbitrary code execution, it’d be a little better for as long as it took publishers to deploy first-party ad injection. We’d still get the security problems, though. You can already see what that’s like with podcasts where local ads are spliced right into the audio file. You’re not stopping that short of doing som…

> where local ads are spliced right into the audio file. You’re not stopping that short of doing something like buffering the content and running it through an AI

This can be solved by crowdsourcing it: https://sponsor.ajay.app/

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

bijant wrote: post #210
warpech wrote: post #197

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Unpopular opinion: you can subscribe to YouTube Premium to stop ads on YT on all your devices

I did yet I still get the embedded ads (lots of VPNs,“brilliant“ subscriptions) YouTubers rely on to make a living because while YouTube shares Premium revenues with Creators it doesn’t allow them to enable a version of their Videos without „sponsored content“ for subscribers. And whats more, because the YouTube Algorithm is totally broken with regards to recency bias, if friends send me links to YouTube Videos that…

You might like that: https://sponsor.ajay.app/

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Post by wooger »

warpech wrote: post #197
dilap wrote: post #129

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> but it isn’t a priority. I would kill for this.

Unpopular opinion: you can subscribe to YouTube Premium to stop ads on YT on all your devices

Popular opinion: Youtube premium is laughably overpriced (in the UK anyway) due to bundling with the totally unrelated youtube music service.

The premium cost of 11.99 GBP per month gets you: * No ads. * Additional music service I don't want. * No additional made-for-youtube video content that I'm aware of. * The app removes one user-hostile non-feature: it no longer refuses to play audio while in the background (iOS). * The app gains no new features, The iOS system wide Picture-in-picture that every other video service supports is still blocked, including from the Safari browser.

Considering that I get the only features I want in desktop Firefox for free, it's incredibly poor value and badly marketed. They could get perhaps 2 GBP a month for no ads, but their other user hostile behaviour on iOS and that price makes it a joke.

The ads are so intrusive, frequent and low quality that I just stopped using youtube on iOS completely. Good job.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

manigandham wrote: post #203
VRay wrote: post #125

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I'd pay half a cent per video or whatever it works out to be, but I'm not going to pay by letting Google or any other corporations track my every move and action

There is Youtube Premium which is a flat fee: https://www.youtube.com/premium

It's a shame that they bundle it with a music subscription.

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Post by saagarjha »

ameshkov wrote: post #195
contriban wrote: post #179

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No. Wipr is a clean content blocker. I don’t know how it handles auto-updates of the blocklist, but I definitely don’t need to keep the app open nor does it add buttons to the interface like AdGuard does.

Running the app is not mandatory and neither is adding buttons to the interface. If you just need content blockers, you can simply enable just them, close the app and forget about it until you feel the need to check filters updates.

Last I checked, selecting elements to block also required running the Electron app, which is somewhat annoying and unnecessary.

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Post by leokennis »

google234123 wrote: post #82

If you don't want ads get Youtube Premium.

Ok, I always dismissed the nag screens for this without even looking at them. But your comment made me curious. It's friggin €15,99 per month! I pay less for Netflix + Apple TV combined!

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Post by saagarjha »

om2 wrote: post #91
viktorcode wrote: post #44

There's some misconceptions being put forth in the article which I, as a developer of a Safari ad blocker, would like to address. Content blockers are limited by design to ensure privacy and speed, but they may work together with other kinds of Safari extension. So, when AdGuard guys say that the only debugging tool you can use is Console, know that this isn’t true. There’s SFSafariExtensionHandler API which you can…

Note that the rules limit has now been increased from 50k to 150k. Sorry if we failed to publicize this sufficiently.

Relevant commit: https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit/commit/d069434deaa0a8844ce6...

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Post by benhurmarcel »

cpeterso wrote: post #74
twobitshifter wrote: post #2

The battle between ad platforms and users is going to be never ending. For YouTube, the _right_ thing to do is to pay for the premium option which removes ads. Otherwise as difficult as it is to say, you are getting something for nothing and people do make a living from YouTube videos. Ok, maybe you can contribute to a patreon outside of YouTube, but you’re not going to do that for everyone and those videos are not s…

I watch YouTube on my TV and the ads are annoying enough that I actually looked into subscribing to YouTube Premium to make the ads go away (and better support the content creators I follow). But I'm not ready to pay YouTube $12/month just to make ads go away. I would probably pay $5/month. Netflix's basic plan only costs $9/month.

The price of Youtube Premium is high because it's bundled with a music subscription. That's a shame and is also the reason I don't subscribe.

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Post by wooger »

manigandham wrote: post #203
VRay wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd pay half a cent per video or whatever it works out to be, but I'm not going to pay by letting Google or any other corporations track my every move and action

There is Youtube Premium which is a flat fee: https://www.youtube.com/premium

A laughably high flat fee. In the UK, 11.99 GBP per month.

For no new video content I want, no new features (they still block picture in picture on iOS app & web).

They bundle the crappy youtube music service which I also don't want.

It's a non-starter & overpriced by a factor of 5x.

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