LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by brigandish » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:38 AM UTC

irjustin wrote: post #28

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

I do wonder/hope if there's a bio-technological way around it, with drugs or application of a magnetic field to the brain, that would interfere with memory making thus mitigating some or all of the effects.

Obviously, it would need to be safe to do. I still shudder inside at one video I saw (on Twitter that took forever to be taken down (>.<)) so I can't imagine what it's like to endure so many.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Der_Einzige » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #42

nickysielicki wrote: post #17

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

Liveleak doesn't portray the reality of war because it shows you some beheading. Voyeurism and gore are not the same as genuine insight into what scary and violent places are actually like. It's worth reading Baudrillard's ' The Gulf War Did Not Take Place ' on how media representation, and stylized, selective footage is used to distort. You didn't get to know the 'reality' of war, but the hyper-reality of it. If you…

Sorry man, but every bit of that book (and everything else jean baudrillard wrote) is fashionable nonsense. Hyperreality is a bankrupt useless concept and has no basis in reality. Baudrillard tries to sound profound but really just sounds like a post modernist schizo like the rest of his contemporaries

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by nanoshelter » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:41 AM UTC

kfprt wrote: post #181

throw37472 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally believe gore videos involving children need to be banned, just like child pornography is. I also feel gore videos that involve non-consenting adults should be judged as "revenge porn." I understand there should be some leeway for journalists reporting the news and shedding light on atrocites. I'm just not sure where that line should be.

I'll never forget the video I saw on liveleak of a 5 year old who's hand was driven over by a car for stealing in Iran with the whole village watching. That minute of video did more to shape my views than anything else.

This was fake news and you fell for it. Look it up!

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dang » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27058435.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by jjayjay » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

rocqua wrote: post #215

Kye wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I took covid seriously when a doctor I follow on Twitter shared how bad things were early on.

I am European, and I recall seeing Italian nurses warning the rest of Europe to take this seriously. They were saying this because they were running out of ventilators and their morgues were overflowing. That's when I started taking it seriously, 1 week later my country hit lockdown. This was somewhere in March.

I have comment threads in my country's subreddit from that week, where someone wrote that their partner was returning from a business trip to Italy. Someone wrote, "consider quarantining for a couple of weeks just in case".

The replies in that thread were along the lines of "Pffff...If everyone did that the Earth would stand still, idiot!"

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dingoegret » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

For me it was

1) gruesome abortions conducted in some western country

2) Denmark a man (immigrant?) was immolated outside his home by a crowd. They are shouting

3) man is hacked by a machete in the UK by some edl member

4) America a guy was run over by a truck and gets stuck on the wheels, still alive. crowd just blankly watches. truck begins to move

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by rocqua » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

imranq wrote: post #216

Why is there so much fetishization of violent content in the comments? Sure maybe liveleak provided some footage you couldn't get on youtube and that is indeed a loss, but to think that the violence you see represents the truth is just as bad as denying that any bad happens in the world. The world is far larger than any one mind can handle. I wouldn't judge it from a few videos taken out of context. The world can be…

Violence doesn't represent truth. But it is part of it, and it is usually censored. Seeing it uncensored hence feels like seeing more of the truth.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by throwaway3699 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

bmiller2 wrote: post #23

reedjosh wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitChute maybe the replacement?

Having never heard of bitchute, I just checked it out. It’s basically just right wing nut job stuff. I think LiveLeak at least was a little more “balanced”, in that it was about entertaining content, regardless of the political ideology.

I just looked at the home page. What a shame it's just covered in shit, because there's a lot of good YouTube refugees on there too.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by jodrellblank » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #86

jimmygrapes wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did get an absurd amount of Tik Tok videos with seemingly empty hospitals and nurses with apparently enough time to choreograph dances though

Pandemics are non-linear. Pandemic response and fear emptied hospitals almost immediately and reduced normal cases (as well as people delaying treatment in too many cases). People don't understand exponential phenomenon: a half-full hospital when there's a spreading contagion (with a replication factor ~2) is actually already over capacity. At 33%, with a replication factor of 2, the next influx of patients overwhelm…

> "People don't understand exponential phenomenon"

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function" - Dr Albert Bartlett, part of his talk "Exponential Growth Arithmetic, population and energy" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZA9Hnp3aV4

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by bonestamp2 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:45 AM UTC

asdff wrote: post #150

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

That sort of coverage doesn't sway people who have decided already not to subscribe to facts, domain experts, or reality. Conservatives would be shown videos of known popular conservatives online storming the capitol, and in all serious start claiming that these people were actually secretly Democrats or something there to make conservatives look bad. Some would call these would be videos of ICUs fake, just like some…

It can sway people if the truth gets out before the falsehoods take root. I saw the videos from China in early January of people falling over in the streets and emergency rooms. I showed that stuff to my conservative news watching family members before the news here was covering the virus. I believe that saved the ones who would have otherwise believed what conservative media was saying early -- they knew it was real and potentially deadly before anyone could tell them otherwise. They told their friends and showed them the videos from China. The truth can make a difference if it arrives first.