One of the biggest issue with all this is "We lost the community in the pursuit of individuality". It takes a village to raise a child. I grew up in kind a commune. Most of the days kids would be on the streets playing, eat / sleep in their neighbours house. Moms were able to manage house as stay at home moms (hardest yet under-appreciated job) relatively better because of this community care provided for children. E…
One of my strongest socioeconomic stances is that the nuclear family was a mistake.
What nobody says about startup moms
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really do not mean any offense by this - but how is a nearly one and a half year old requiring full-time attention from two people? I ask this as a single dad of two kids, one of them since they were < 1.
One parent serves as redundancy for the other. I don’t know how you did it, but when we had just one baby/toddler, and no other kids or relatives to watch them, one adult is constantly watching the kid, and the other is taking care of household tasks. The person watching the kid looks like they have spare time, but it’s garbage time because your attention is diverted to the kid every couple minutes or less.
I know I can't do any deep work, when it is my turn to watch our toddler - but I am very capable of doing household related tasks, etc.
And I also have to say, without trying to impose it, but I know this from other parents and sometimes from myself: you definitely can give too much attention to a child - unless you want them to become egocentric narcists, who think the whole world turns around them. Those childs will have a hard time later on, learning that this is not true. And everyone around them, will suffer with them.
But of course, I don't know how you actually do things, but this is the image that came to my mind, a image I have seen quite a lot in my generation.
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#223It strikes me that there is some kind of cognitive dissonance that prevents people from recognizing their time as a commodity. I understand and support the push to normalize women in the workplace in leadership positions but there seems to be a failure to recognize the cost. I think the "traditional" family roles of mother stays home and father works are outdated but I think the train goes off the tracks when people…
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s fair, but perhaps there are also some parents that pay far more attention to their children than they really require or is even healthy for them. I found this especially true with our first born, where once you have a second, you quickly realize you probably gave them just a tad too much attention than was necessary. Children have been raised in situations with single parents, ones where one or both parents wo…
By garbage time, I mean I can't productively use the time I'm spending being responsible for the kid to do any involved task. I'm not saying I interact with the kid the whole time, but I have to keep an eye on the toddler to make sure they're not hurting themselves, or more likely, the toddler is pestering me to play with them. They play with their own toys and pots and pans for a few minutes, but it's not long befor…
And do you feel, you always have to obey to your childs wishes? Don't you think it is important to learn for them,to respect other peoples wishes, too?
It is an ongoing struggle, of course, but after I started to pay more attention to my needs and be consequent about it, even if he goes hysterical - it became a lot easier for all of us. He can now (2 years) accept a no, if it is a real no.
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#225> I remember chatting with a woman at a work event one night and asking if she needed to go home soon because of her kids. She replied, “No, I see my kids on weekends.” I couldn’t help but cringe thinking about what it would be like to only see my son on weekends. It seemed horrible! If you work 9-5 (really 8-5 most places) this is basically true anyway. Most of the time you get with them on weekdays may have some qu…
> [...] get back home at 5:30 or later just in time to throw together or eat dinner [...] I generally get what you're saying, but the difference between a) sharing dinner with your kids, putting them to bed, and reading them a bed-time story, and b) not seeing them at all in the evening, is huge .
When I was a kid, my dad went through a religious conversion. My mom, remaining a good Catholic, stayed with him regardless of his life choices. One morning in a fit of rage, she told an 8 year old me "if you go to church with him then I'm not your momma anymore."
Now, she didn't mean it. She has always been more loving and caring than I had any right to. But the words "I love you" were absent from her vocabulary. With an adult's perspective, I see that it's how my grandparents were in their personal relationships with their kids, too, although my grandmother had a great deal of warmth and love to express to us.
It wasn't until I was in a van with my sisters and my dad and we got into a roll over accident that I heard those words again from my mom. Covered from head to doe with bandaids and bandages and in my bed, she came by to comfort me and I shrank away. She asked me if I was alright, and if I needed her to stay with me that night, but then she asked "do you think I don't love you?"
To which I replied: "That's what you told me when I was sitting at the kitchen table getting ready for church." She had forgotten about the moment, because she was one who made ultimatums to kids whenever she had lost her patience. I never did. And so from 8 to 12, I spent my childhood believing that my dad was crazy and my mom didn't love me.
It matters. It affected my early childhood. I was a straight C student with a penchant for being incredibly disorganized and distracted. I also read over 400 books my 3rd grade year because it was my escape from reality.
Today, I know my mom would have done anything for me, but she had to she tell me that she loved me, first.
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#226It strikes me that there is some kind of cognitive dissonance that prevents people from recognizing their time as a commodity. I understand and support the push to normalize women in the workplace in leadership positions but there seems to be a failure to recognize the cost. I think the "traditional" family roles of mother stays home and father works are outdated but I think the train goes off the tracks when people…
I think the problem is different. Nobody should work that hard. Not just for the sake of our children, but yes for their sake. But for our sake, for the sake of everybody. We all need to spend more time working on our relationships, smelling the flowers, tasting the tastes. We have one life and one life only. Getting into a competition about how we waste it on commerce is tragic. Some people feel a need to work work…
> Some people feel a need to work work work obsessively. IMO that should be viewed as a mental illness and needing treatment.
This is a massive value judgement - for those of us who are lucky to legitimately enjoy their career, why should we slow down?
Why exactly should someone be coerced to stop what they enjoy because others are are unwilling or unable to perform the same?
I'm an amature runner and am never going to be as fast as Usain Bolt - should he not be allowed to practice so that I don't feel bad?
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why "critical thinking" is overrated. Becoming good at critical thinking means that you become good at critique - the process of describing the flaws of something. This is the issue with the modern left in america. They do a great job of highlighting injustice (through teaching many critical thinking skills as part of "wokism") but then the solutions given are so poorly articulated that they're laughed out of…
Critical thinking is overrated in the sense that it's hard to distinguish from using superficially skeptical language. Being understanding epistemology and being flexible in thinking is more useful than being a curmudgeon who assumes anything that isn't intuitive is bullshit.
OTOH, being old enough now to have seen multiple variations of quite a few products, I am amazed at how "designers" of products manage to get basic shit wrong.
I mean, how hard is it to just look at your competition and see what they do right.
...and so I likely come across as a curmudgeon calling poorly designed things bullshit as I express my disappointment in a society that hasn't figured out hoverboards yet...
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#228I mean if the job sucks, and you can't afford it then don't do it. There is always an alternative option if you possess the skill set to succeed in startup scene. Applies both to men and women.
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
The one with kids has visitors so probably them. Old people can get pretty lonely if they don't have descendants. It's not talked about often but it's a really important part of not being miserable when you're 90. When your body isn't good for anything anymore and you can't even enjoy spending money, being happy about the people you created is more or less the only thing left - and you can really be happy about it. B…
Huge assumption that someone has visitors just because they had kids.
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Once it's spent, it doesn't really matter how, except insofar as it's left you with something afterwards. Three people standing side by side, one of them partied their whole twenties, the other focused on career, the last had kids. They're all thirty, so that's the same, but one of them clearly is worse off.
Extend your analogy out in time: Three people in their 90s, laying side by side at their deathbeds. One filled their life with friends and experiences, the other did nothing but work, the other raised children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. Now who is the winner and who the loser?
Winning is a category error at this point.