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Re: Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

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Post by dariusj18 » Tue, May 04, 2021, 9:44 PM UTC

tonfreed wrote: post #203

dariusj18 wrote: post #189

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I'm not sure your number is accurate, but even if it is, that is a general population number and doesn't take into account the higher risk certain populations, such as over 65 or those with comorbidities. Essentially the use of that number with no context encourages people to act as if the risk is spread evenly, but an asymptomatic 18 year old has a much higher risk of killing their grandparents than 0.3%. https://ww…

You're right, shut down the economy and destroy the poor end of town's livelihoods. Gotta save grandma. Disingenuous statements aside, the people in charge of policy clearly don't care enough to follow the rules themselves. They've put covid patients in nursing homes, ignored their own lockdown rules and intimidated people at religious worship. There's no doubt in my mind that we were deliberately lied to about the s…

It didn't take the government to shut down the economy, it was going to be severely hit anyway, government intervention was aimed at shortening the impact as much as possible, but people really fucked that up. It was unfortunately obvious in retrospect since a large portion of society no longer lives in reality.

- Elderly COVID patients being sent back to nursing homes is a great example of an early misstep and misinterpretation of rules creating a bad situation. Hopefully we can learn something from it.

- A few people out there hypocritically not following the rules doesn't make the rules wrong.

- Intimidated people at religious worship sounds like spin for people being unsafe and trying to claim their religion gives them the right.

- Yes, the US was deliberately lied to about the severity of the virus by the US President downplaying the risks, and I'm sure others in government or media played it up. Either can be excused depending on the motives.

Re: Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

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Post by josephcsible » Tue, May 04, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #219

josephcsible wrote: post #217

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Right now, the reward is close to zero too. Basically the only things the CDC lets you do after being vaccinated are things you've been able to get away with the whole time anyway.

Close to zero? You mean the likelihood of catching COVID dropping to nearly zero is worthless to you? Also, lockdowns are likely to continue until COVID numbers drop. COVID numbers won't drop until more people get vaccinated. The thought of "vaccines are pointless since you'll still have to mask" is extremely short-sighted.

But now you have the Prisoner's Dilemma working against you. If things won't go back to normal until 60% or 70% or 80% or 90% of people get the vaccine, and getting it yourself before then doesn't give you anything, the rational but selfish thing to do is say "I'll let everyone else get the vaccine but pass on it myself. I'll get the benefit of normality without the risk of side effects."

As for this:

> Close to zero? You mean the likelihood of catching COVID dropping to nearly zero is worthless to you?

If someone has been offered the vaccine but chose not to get it, I think they would say yes to this.

Re: Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ from Covid Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

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Post by mannanj » Fri, May 07, 2021, 8:39 PM UTC

eckmLJE wrote: post #206

stmfreak wrote: post #197

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Ah yes, vaccine reluctance must only come from ignorance. Certainly not education or research into the side effects of vaccines and how these in particular affect people of younger ages with more risks than getting covid.

Genuinely curious about side effects of the covid vaccines, do you have sources for this?

check out the vaers database. 3000 deaths already. you can sort by age group. middle-aged people who would otherwise have been fine with COVID (40's nurses) getting convulsions is certainly a lot worse compared to what people could get with COVID.