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My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure whose viewpoint your arguing against, because it's sure not mine. If we opened our border with Mexico, there would be a flood of immigration that would make the southern states a lot more like the Mexico they are trying to escape from than the US they are trying to escape to. This is purely a pragmatic argument. No one wins in this case (in the long term at least). It's also harder to provide for our nat…

Right, although I never said to open the border, nor hinted at any specific solutions. More so, I asked for you to see the situation in a different light. I think its really easy for you (or others) to say "country's full, you'll have to get in line like everyone else", while ignoring the circumstances of real people like the author of the article, and in essence, ignoring your own history and how you got to where yo…

> Right, although I never said to open the border, nor hinted at any specific solutions.

Exactly, you seem to prefer to philosophize and invoke moral criticism than to actually discuss practical solutions.

> I think its really easy for you (or others) to say "country's full, you'll have to get in line like everyone else"

I started this thread by arguing that we should have compassion for people who run into headaches while trying to immigrate legally, and that we should aim to make things easier for them.

> while ignoring the circumstances of real people like the author of the article

I started this thread by arguing that people brought here as children deserve more leniency.

> The only difference between you and anyone else is when and where you were born, thats all. Its crazy to think you have entitlement to rights and opportunities, simply because you were born this side of an invisible line.

The only difference between me and Bill Gates' kids is who we happened to be born to, but that doesn't entitle me to grow up in Bill Gates' house.

It is you who are making an argument of entitlement. A Mexican is no more entitled to come and work in the USA without a visa than I'm entitled to go and work in Mexico without a visa. The only "right and opportunity" I am invoking is the right to live in the community where I was born, a right and opportunity that most of the world enjoys.

The only thing that makes my position more privileged than a Mexican's is that my countryman and ancestors have built a more prosperous economy than Mexico has. That's dumb luck on my part, no doubt, which I am grateful for. I didn't do anything to earn that.

But there's no way everyone on earth is going to be born with equal opportunity. And there is no virtue in opening wide the gates of immigration if just ends up making the (currently) desirable place more like the (currently) undesirable place.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Simple question, why is it not possible to have unrestricted immigration between nations period? Please do not give an answer that requires respecting privilege of native born inhabitants; by doing this you are implicitly stating that these people are more deserving than someone coming from some other place by right of birth. You may as well agitate for the divine right of kings and the reinstatement of the monarchy…

as I see it, it is the old American way. everyone is welcome to stare in the street. if you want to eat something, find something useful to do that other people will pay you for. this policy attract the ambitious and smart, and this is what made US to what it is today.

It is not very human system, as you can not have any government support for the weak. so consider your priorities.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I have no beef with this guy who was basically forced into breaking the law before he could have responsibility for his actions. But overall I just feel that the compassion about immigration is misplaced. I don't understand why all the pro-immigration people say "look at these poor undocumented immigrants -- we should make life better for them." I think the people we should have compassion for are the people who are…

We can have compassion for both. More importantly, we shouldn't restrict our policy decisions based on avoiding making people upset.

> More importantly, we shouldn't restrict our policy decisions based on avoiding making people upset.

I think that's a fair point. A more important argument is that making the system too lenient towards people who have come here illegally creates the wrong incentives.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #125

How difficult is it really to have a green card wedding? The only knowledge I have of it is from TV, but surely in a country where a good chunk of the population doesn't take marriage seriously, finding someone to marry you for citizenship wouldn't be difficult. You could even build a startup out of it... USMailOrderSpouses.com.

Residency is conditional the first 2 years of marriage. Both spouses need to go through interviews, appear they are a couple - have joint bank accounts, bills, live together, etc. It's also not a given that somebody with no existing legal status will be granted residency even if legitimately married.

There is a lot of variability in what the USCIS actually checks. When my wife and I went for our interview the immigration officer only asked to see our wedding photos; since our parents and other family were present he decided it was legitimate (apparently most sham marriages are hidden from families). We had spent a lot of time assembling all the other recommended evidence but no one ever bothered to look at it.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #219

I'm in the same boat. It's been difficult. I cannot express how grateful I am to Jose Vargas for writing this story. I was brought here as a kid 13 years ago. I'm 24 now. I also graduated from a "top" university -- like that matters. I guess my parents weren't smart enough to get a fake social security card for me back then, I wish they were. I've also been fighting for the Dream Act for what feels like an eternity.…

I think Milton Friedman nailed it when he said that the biggest obstacle to a freer immigration policy is the welfare state. "[Throughout the history of the U.S.] you had a flood of immigrants, millions of them, coming to this country. What brought them here? It was the hope for a better life for them and their children. And, in the main, they succeeded. It is hard to find any century in history, in which so large a…

And yet Canada's population growth is almost entirely due to immigration (population growth by birthrate in Canada is flat or ever so slightly negative).

Edit: actually the natural growth rate is every so slightly positive. Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_of_Canada_by_year#Co...

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #183

Go wait in line, Vargas. You ain't special. You think because we should feel sorry for you, that you deserve a greencard or legalization or whatever? Do you know the shit LEGAL immigrants have to go through to get and stay here? What makes you so damn special to skip the fucking line? I waited 7 fucking years for my greencard - all the while working and paying more taxes than you and any goddamn teabagger alive. I wa…

gdilla, by pointing Vargas to the end of the line you are shooting yourself in the foot. You are imagining that if Vargas would get green card your wait time would be longer. It's not the case. If it would be easier for illegal immigrants to get green cards, it would be even easier to make a compelling case for you and your wife. Why do you think that number of granted green cards per year is a fixed amount? It's not…

There's a finite amount of bandwidth any society can spend on immigration, not an infinite amount (and hint: it's negligible).

At the moment, so-called liberals whatever reason are more concerned about ILLEGAL immigrants than legal immigrants.

Do you know how many legal immigrants' green cards got delayed the last time there was an amnesty program for illegals? Do you think the US govt. will hire more immigration dept. workers if illegals start getting legalized. They don't even hire people in the patent office! Every legal immigrant in the green card queue hopes that an amnesty program won't get passed until he/she gets the green card.

IMHO, there are practical reasons why gdilla is concerned about illegals getting preferential treatment.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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wunderfool, everything you contribute to this site is being quietly made "dead".

here's your perfectly insightful and worthwhile comment which no one else can see unless they enable "show dead":

wunderfool 7 hours ago | link [dead]

legal immigrant (now citizen) here immigration is a pain in the ass. we stood in line at the INS at 3am (back before they instituted appointments), and i'm not just talking tech people...i mean everyone, from all over the world and all walks of life. it sucked but we all did it. we stood in lines and paid the fees and waited and followed the rules. if you don't, adios. i have zero, ZERO pity for everyone who has tried to come across as a charity case when they really just wanted to jump the line or not deal at all. to even get back in line i would assess a $10k fine on all of you, regardless of income or background. -----

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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RandyHelzerman, everything you contribute to this site is quietly being made "dead". no one can see what you're saying unless they have the "show dead" feature enabled. in any case no one can vote on your contributions any more.

RandyHelzerman 7 hours ago | link [dead]

What really has to sink in is that there are at least 11 million people in this guy's situation. I can't think of a single example in history of 11 million people being forcibly removed from a country, and any analogous parallels are quite ominous. Fact:(1) they are staying here Fact:(2) there are real, tangible costs to them, you, and society as a whole for them to remain undocumented. Conclusion: There should be a path to citizenship for them.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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"My only solution, the lawyer said, was to go back to the Philippines and accept a 10-year ban before I could apply to return legally."

I am all for letting Vargas stay, and for liberalizing this country's immigration policies.

But would going abroad for 10 years really be so bad?

Vargas has proven himself to be an accomplished professional writer and should have no problem finding work pretty much anywhere he goes.

As a writer and a reporter he would gain valuable international experience by living and writing abroad. He could see the world. reunite with his mother and brother, learn something about his country of origin.. and, who knows, he might find he prefers the Philippines (or some other country) even more than the US.

He does have a life in America and that's the country he's most used to, so leaving won't be easy; but he said he hasn't let himself get too close to anyone here, so that should make it somewhat easier to move somewhere else.

When you're young 10 years might seem like a long time, but it's really not that long in the scheme of things. If he's in his 20's now, he'll be in his 30's when he gets back -- plenty of time left to rebuild his life here, should he wish to.

Unfortunately, there is no guarantee he would be allowed back in, and it would be stressful or even dangerous not to be able to come back in in the meantime, should he need to for some reason. So it's certainly not an enviable position to be in; but it's not necessarily the worst thing in the world to go abroad for 10 years -- many people do so gladly and willingly.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Absent a way to live legally, he has little other choice." No he has a choice and he chooses to risk being busted and live in the land of opportunities. He can live legally. He can choose to go back to the native country of his parents and start a legal life there. He has graduated from a university in the US. He has done work in the US. He is much better off resume-wise than many of his peers.

That is irrelevant to the question of his legal relationship with the US government, which is the matter at issue. Sure, he could go to the Philippines, but that's essentially wishing the problem away. There are a lot of people who are technically citizens of other places but who arrived in the US at such a young age that they have no memory of ever living abroad, and often don't even speak the language. Why should s…

Although I disagree with you, I applaud you for your eloquence.

AFAIK, immigrants (whether legal or illegal) are in a gray area wrt constitutional protections. For example, on entry all aliens (including perm. residents) are fingerprinted whereas citizens are not. The lowly officer examining your papers can decide to not admit an alien into the country if you mouth off, and he's pretty much the final authority.

I seriously doubt any of things you describe are "problematic" from a constitutional point of view. It seems well-settled that aliens need not be treated the same as citizens.

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