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WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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I have never ever seen anyone around me do a WhatsApp story

As I mentioned in a different comment, maybe it depends on the region, with many of my friends who post being from East Africa. Would you mind sharing in which part of the world are most of your WhatsApp contacts living?

France

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Is ApplePay associated with endless scams like ICO, extremely problematic security requiring extreme experience to avoid theft, massive transfer fees, lack of usability, endless scams and massive spam advertising such scam everywhere? And several other serious problems.

Have you stopped using cash? Think of all the drugs and organized crime that rely on it. You are being incredibly close-minded and only listing the cons of cryptocurrencies.

Cash is widely used for nonscammy purposes and I had plenty of good contacts with it.

My sole contact with cryptocurrencies is endless spam in mailbox, endless scam attempts in communities that I moderate and information about ICO and other scams. And investments gambling. And very rare cases of cryptocurrencies being useful for something.

And repeated info about being utter failure for payments. For comparison cash/credit card payment is done within 20 seconds for cc and within minute for cash. Both at cost of below 0.01 $ for payment.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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“Really good friends” aren’t the only friends worth staying in touch with.

My life is rich in social engagements and I don't need Facebook to do it. And now that I'm off Facebook, the friendships I do have have grown immeasurably in closeness. My overall stress has plummeted. I strongly believe that platforms like Facebook and Twitter are extremely harmful to social cohesion and mental health.

> My life is rich in social engagements

i don't care what or how your life is - this discussion is about the general case. Not everyone has a rich social life, and these messaging apps/services do help people engage with others which would otherwise have not.

And to change can be disruptive - casually dismissing these concerns is not the way to solve the problem connected with these platforms.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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What in the world? They don’t have to use it. This has to be one of the worst arguments I’ve ever seen. Did your friends throw their iPhones in the trash when ApplePay came about?

The argument is "this app, which promises privacy and security in ways I do not have the skills to verify, is made by people who also think cryptocurrencies are a good idea". That is a pretty compelling argument to people who think cryptocurrencies are all about scams and/or useless pollution (a sizeable portion of society). It suggests that the people behind Signal may not be as trustworthy as they're made out to be…

>or useless pollution Given the energy needed just for one transaction the currently popular ones are actually about useless pollution. It's not like bittorrent when it's not a technological problem but rather copyright owners agenda. In case of bitcoin, it is actually unsustainable technologically as a currency (as opposed to an asset). I get that cryptocurrencies can be efficient but not the ones that are popular right now.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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Honest question. What do Signal and WhatsApp bring to the table that I'm not getting with the messaging apps built into my phones? Me and all my friends and family just use those, and nobody has ever asked me to communicate with Signal or WhatsApp.

Do you mean Apps on your phone relying on SMS?

I mean the native apps whatever they are. I've an iPhone and an Android phone, and they both message just fine.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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Honest question. What do Signal and WhatsApp bring to the table that I'm not getting with the messaging apps built into my phones? Me and all my friends and family just use those, and nobody has ever asked me to communicate with Signal or WhatsApp.

My messaging apps built into your phone do you mean SMS? Or iMessage or RCS? Because SMS leaves a lot on the table. It is okay if you want to send just text but doesn't support rich features such as reactions, replies various forms of formatting or media. It is also very insecure. iMessage and RCS provide more but have their own limitations particularly across platforms. Furthermore other messaging apps provide a wid…

It's the icon at the bottom besides the phone icon :)

I can't imaging asking a friend or relative to install an app so that I can message them. I'm sure the response would be "you can already message me". I send text. I send photos. I guess I could install it on both of my phones and message myself to see what it adds. I'm just having a hard time imaging what it could be.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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My messaging apps built into your phone do you mean SMS? Or iMessage or RCS? Because SMS leaves a lot on the table. It is okay if you want to send just text but doesn't support rich features such as reactions, replies various forms of formatting or media. It is also very insecure. iMessage and RCS provide more but have their own limitations particularly across platforms. Furthermore other messaging apps provide a wid…

It's the icon at the bottom besides the phone icon :) I can't imaging asking a friend or relative to install an app so that I can message them. I'm sure the response would be "you can already message me". I send text. I send photos. I guess I could install it on both of my phones and message myself to see what it adds. I'm just having a hard time imaging what it could be.

So you don't care about security or reactions... How about group chat? That is a very useful feature that SMS doesn't provide.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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> they don’t want anything to do with bitcoins Honestly, this is a bad argument. You can use Signal and never send a gif or stickers. You don't have to do anything with ~~stickers~~crypto when using Signal. It is an opt-in feature that is probably going to not be used my 90% of people. This is just a bad argument surrounding the whole ordeal. Now the arguments about: regulations, Moxie's involvement (stated he has no…

> Honestly, this is a bad argument. It is a protective heuristic for the non-tech people. Basically, the more something mentions crypto coins, the higher the likelihood that it is a scam of some type. It is not always true, but it is true enough for the average person and , in general, functions pretty well as a heuristic. Thus, they hear about this new, previously unknown, chat service, and see an association with c…

I've worked in tech for over 30 years, have used Signal since it was called TextSecure and just encrypted SMS messages, and my scam detector is still going off as a result of their decision to cram some cryptocurrency bullshit into the app.

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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PRIVACY =! SECURITY

Unless privacy == security (i.e. operational security need privacy). It's laughably to take over Telegram accounts (or just join as an invisible listener) and because nothing is encrypted, you get the full message history. Telegram has really, really great UI/UX and even DX regarding their API. Other than that it's a shit show. I would never recommend using Whatsapp, but compared to Telegram, Whatsapp is a poster chi…

Can you elaborate the claims regarding account takeover more in detail? I'm generally curious.

Is it because of SS7 confirmation of pins or what are you referring to?

Re: WhatsApp's new privacy policy is so bad it might be illegal

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To be honest I feel a bit disenfranchised. I’ve used all my energy to convert all my friends to signal when the WhatsApp privacy policy fiasco happened and now they’re saying it was a waste of time since they don’t want anything to do with bitcoins.. I can’t blame them as I also don’t want this on my messaging app. I feel like I will just give up and use WhatsApp and assume that I only had privacy pre-internet.

You don’t need to use bitcoins to use signal for messaging.
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