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Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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> But sadly the US has not been taking a leadership role recently. I'd wager the US will dismantle it's nuclear weapons the day other nations stop seeking to produce nuclear weapons. ie, this will never happen. The US, China, Russia, India, UK, etc having nuclear weapons is a lot less of a threat to global security than a nation-state such as Iran, which vows to destroy it's surrounding nations every chance it gets.…

Iran is a large nation of millions of people with a relatively developed government (even if we don't like the way it is currently structured). I doubt they would initiate a nuclear strike, knowing it means their annihilation. Also, most modern statements by Iran focus on the "Zionist regime", not the literal killing of the residents of Israel. You can find similar rhetoric in the United States about the CCP. > what…

>I doubt they would initiate a nuclear strike, knowing it means their annihilation.

If someone with a gun holstered at their waist asked you to give you your money, would you refuse?

If Iran will get access to nuclear weapons, it's status in international politics will change drastically, all leverages the west has on Iran (like the ability to impose sanctions upon human right violations and counter their violent export of the shiite ideology) will more or less disappear

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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I'm not defending iran.im just saying we build a narrative against one side. Look at your comment, everything you said about Iran usa, Britain and Israel does too. But you highlighted Iran's evil while we excuse "our own" side awful actions.

"your own side" is quite revealing. There's a game siblings sometimes play. One hits another. The injured party responds in kind. The first, the aggressor, calls their parents and complains that the second hit the first and was the aggressor. The second is then punished by the parent for aggression. This has been the rhetorical, and effectively actual history of the conflicts since prior to the founding of Israel. Ir…

So Iran SAYS "Israel should be wiped out of the map", and that makes all ACTIONS (including boarder line terrorism) by Israel justified. Our way of buying into narratives and pushing them allows justifications for wars so easy. Just look at Iraq war. Narrative build and bought by us was that Sadam is bad and has bar weapons so let's go to war. Again I'm not defending Iran. In fact I really hate the regime. I'm just saying what's wrong is wrong no matter who does it.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Comment edited.

I'd have deleted my correction, but I can't because you replied to it.

The workaround I've seen people use is hitting the edit button and replacing the entire comment with a - character.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Right?! Sorry for the empty comment, but I'm fascinated to know this is happening. If there's one place that bombs are unwelcome, it'd be a nuclear facility. One also wonders whether an Israeli planted the bomb, or an Iranian. You'd have to be pretty daring either way.

I'm guessing an Iranian. From articles I've read, it sounds like Mossad has a huge network of ethnic Iranian agents carrying out the ground work in Iran. This stuff is fascinating indeed. Here's a good read for you: https://archive.ph/uG9Lu https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/15/us/politics/iran-israel-m... How Israel, in Dark of Night, Torched Its Way to Iran’s Nuclear Secrets > The Mossad agents moving in on a warehous…

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Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Like them or not the Israeli Defense Force is arguably the most effective military in the world. From the Iron Dome, the Uzi, and the Arrow missile, the IDF has a track record of successful military projects. They seem lean and effective, unlike the US military. The US Military recently has had a track record of project failures from the F-35 to the Comanche helicopter and now they are spending $20B for Microsoft Hol…

Get their arses handed to them by Hezbollah every time, and even by Hamas in Gaza in 2014.

Really, the marketing far exceeds the implementation.

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> To mark the event and send a message to its negotiating partners, technicians at Natanz began to operate a small batch of IR-6 centrifuges as well. The majority of centrifuges at Natanz are a model known as IR-1, which is much less efficient at enriching uranium than the IR-6 design. The nuclear agreement signed with Iran in 2015 (known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA) limited it to using only I…

Trump violated the JCPOA first. Why should Iran hold up their side of a broken agreement? The JCPOA was working fine but Netanyahu didn't like it because he wants to destabilize Iran.

> Why should Iran hold up their side of a broken agreement?

Because - and correct me if I'm misunderstanding things - so far as I can tell it wasn't really an "agreement" to begin with. The US essentially just said they would tolerate an Iranian nuclear program so long as it adhered to a set of guidelines which assured Iran was being honest about their goal of pursuing a peaceful nuclear energy program. The US was providing Iran an incentive to keep its word.

For better or for worse, that incentive was removed. But that doesn't mean Iran is incentivized to go against its word. Continuing to adhere to those guidelines would help build trust from the rest of the world that Iran really just wanted a nuclear energy program. Instead, their recent actions only continue to build distrust.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Gosh, well if it is effecting Europeans, dear oh dear.. The ME is just this peaceful relaxed place that wouldn't have any conflicts if it weren't for Israel blowing up Iranian centrifuges whose sole purpose is the fabrication of nuclear weapons, eh? Lets just give nukes to Iran and Iraq and Syria (the later two Israel was similarly criticized for blowing up in previous decades, with Iran cheering Israel on in the 90s…

Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that Israel is responsible for ME problems. On this topic, Israel has significant nuclear weapons. Iran’s pursuit of weapons is likely a deterrence strategy. Thus a good way forward is to work constructively with countries in the region towards establishing a nuclear free zone that includes Israel, Iran and Pakistan. JCPA was a step towards that direction, which could potentially be exte…

Unfortunately in reality this is considered wishful thinking by every competent intelligence agency (not just Israel, and not just western).

I suppose you could say North Koreas pursuit of nuclear weapons is likely a deterrence strategy. Kim Jong-un and the ayatollahs are afraid primarily of their own oppressed citizens, it is not a difficult concept to grasp.

Certainly the threat of terrorism and refugees is a global one as Europe is slowly coming to realize. So is the threat of nuclear proliferation, especially when it comes to unstable regimes.

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post #89

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I'd have deleted my correction, but I can't because you replied to it.

The workaround I've seen people use is hitting the edit button and replacing the entire comment with a - character.

That's not really a workaround, just put the fact that you edited the comment in the original comment. Better yet, add the new info as an edit and leave the original comment text as was so people can follow the conversation

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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>Gone are the days where threatening to wipe jews off the planet was considered rhetoric. I'm not going to defend the current iranian gouverment, but aren't jews in Iran a recognized minority and have a seat in parliament? So it seems they don't have anything against the religion per se.

Even "wipe Israel off the map" is false Israeli propaganda. Here's an explanation https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-a...

It’s not, I posted these in another thread but check these out:

https://static2.rokna.net/thumbnail/SkVEB41uf6ga/NS2RJzVApQ3...

https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news/1396/4/5/6417989_951.jpg

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1396/...

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2%D8%B4%D9%...

these counters are installed in every city in Iran.

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