Earlier quoted context omitted.
The similar English word would surely be hash check server?
Yep, and I learn again to never assume a joke will work over the internet.
Sorry.
The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#222Almost every entity has oversight measures implemented to safeguard it from criminal negligence. The laws in the Netherlands need to be updated to ensure that data hosting centres and their owners can't get away with criminal negligence. And to everyone complaining about this with a "but my free speech" excuse - there are extensive legal procedures which ensure that allegations of criminal negligence are conducted op…
> But the answer is not to stop having laws. Why? Serious question. When are laws too many? (According to some history, 10 laws were too many and most people were ignoring them.) Are a trillion laws too many? A billion? A million? A thousand? What if we had a thousand laws, but each law had a million pages? (I'm pretty sure we're at over a billion pages of laws if we take into account all the laws in the world - as m…
Never? Counting laws is an exercise of futility. Content, not numbers should matter. If it takes a billion small laws to cover everything needed, so be it, who cares?
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#223Would „confidental computing”[1] be able to provide a solution in this situation? If it is encrypted using a TEE, they would have no way of knowing what kind of data they are hosting. [1]: https://confidentialcomputing.io/
They don't need to know, if an IP hosted there responds with illegal data, you can know which customer it is and ban them.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#224Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business. It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things, they know it and they do it on purpose, and there is no clear way to fight it.
So true, the horrors of the stuff they are hosting is profound. If they where even slightly on the up and up then it might destroy their business. While reading this article there needs to be better legislative powers, but I guess big tech has its own power. The governments hands are tied because so much of the Dutch economy is becoming hosting of data probably driven by the lacks laws. Some changes to this system and it comes down all pretty quickly. We need some intelligence people that need to go on to inside of this place and make sure when things come up to intervene. Maybe have the capabilities to trace where it’s originating from. NRC did a great job republishing this story in English maybe there will be European pressure now.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like someone else said, it seems that AIE is trying to avoid higher charges in regard to implementing oversight measures. The oversight measures should have been there a long time ago. It's like youtube saying that they're simply "a highway" for video hosting. If it's moving through your platform, you have to be aware of what it is. There are police monitoring highways, there is extensive monitoring on youtube, so wh…
Do you have a stake in this article? Because from my point of view an account created 10 hours ago is rambling off technically incoherent straw-man on a tech focused forum. Its like saying the postman most open, read and understand every piece of mail before delivering it, and the police must search inside every car before it may drive on the road.
Just because you don't agree with them (I don't happen to, either) doesn't mean they're being incoherent, rambling, or using a straw man. They are clearly responding topically and reasonably.
Be polite.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
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>By that logic we should leave it up indefinitely? You probably don't want to continue hosting it as some visitors to your website might leave your site or it may cause PR issues if you keep it up. >than even a second of leaving child pornography up There is no harm do doing that. Child porn is a single internet search away and people into that kind of stuff probably already have those kind of sites bookmarked. A few…
I don’t follow this logic either. You are saying that since child porn exists elsewhere we might as well leave up the stuff we find and have the ability to do something about?
I am saying the harm from child porn is not coming from a picture being up for a single second on a website. There exist websites where this content will stay up that are easily accessible. This is much more convenient to people who want to see that and it will attract a community of people who are into that kind of stuff.
I also gave reasons why it would be in your best interest to remove the images even if you had immunity from the legal problems from doing so. It's similar how you might not want to host gore.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. They're tedious and nasty and we're trying for curious conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Seriously, stop with this crap. The people on this forums are some of the people who have the know-how to actually DO something about the internet. If they can't discuss these things, we get the situation that your company seems to like - SV decides what's allowed on the internet and what's not. Those of us outside of the US don't like it very much, and we'd prefer to - you know - talk about it.
Obviously when people with know-how want to discuss what they know-how about, that's on topic on HN. But you're underestimating the quantity of plain old internet slag, which is what repetitive flamewars (especially on classic flamewar topics) quickly turn into. "You are a pedo sympathiser and apologist" and similar dreck repels the users who actually know things and who make HN a worthwhile place, so your argument ends in a contradiction.
If you'd like to offer advice about HN moderation, breaking the site guidelines while doing so is unlikely to persuade.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the reverse is too naive. We see the exact abhorrent results that occurs when hosters are made liable. Look at youtube for example. There is no novel content any more. Everything that could offend someone is removes or demonitized. What good does forcing a hoster to police their content? Do you think child porn will suddenly not exist anymore? Do you think child porn producer think "oh no, my website was take…
The good it does is spreading it less. Demanding that a measure has to eradicate child pornography in order for it to be acceptable is ridiculous. Hosting companies take responsibility, because they knowingly and willingly host content that's beyond the jurisdiction of the company's country's legislature. It can't be that a string of copper wire across a border is enough to remove liability.
It's not spreading less. Besides I never said a measure has to eradicate child porn for it to be acceptable.
Compare it to having acne. It's not recommended to pop the abscesses because it does nothing to treat the underlying issue and a week later you have them again. What you need to do is treat the underlying condition. Attacking hosters for hosting child porn is the same thing as popping acne ascesses. Sure you have taken down a few servers. But next week they will be back. It's just not effective. What you need to do is find the people that are making and spreading child porn.
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#229I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.
Please don't start or perpetuate flamewars on HN. They're tedious and nasty and we're trying for curious conversation. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26683670 .
I'll try to be more careful in the future, but what part of my comment was more controversial and flame war provoking than sibling comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26684910?
Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland
#230Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business. It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things, they know it and they do it on purpose, and there is no clear way to fight it.
Most data centers with the reviews these guys have would not last. This one is able to find a market because despite everything bad they do, there's a strong market demand to overcome ridiculous DMCA, GDPR, and other internet regulations. They can be a shitty service provider in every conceivable way, but because they are able to exist in a void instigated upon us by bad legislation, they can continue on in a way others cannot.
I doubt many here would defend the way the business is being run. But misguided attempts at regulating the internet at the legislative level gives rise to these kinds of problems in the market. I am sure many here are simply sick of seeing this play out again and again. Just like how drug prohibition gave rise to international drug cartels, internet content regulation gives rise to data centers that flaunt those rules.